Have you extracted a tooth DIY? NHS Dentist crisis
Poll: Have you extracted a tooth DIY? NHS Dentist crisis
Total Members Polled: 108
Discussion
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/14/mp...
"MPs demand dentistry overhaul as patients resort to DIY treatment"
"MPs demand dentistry overhaul as patients resort to DIY treatment"
Rufus Stone said:
No, but some tips would be useful.
Maybe extrapolate from here.
https://www.smilearizonadentistry.com/blog/pulling...
Jim the Sunderer said:
I call them "luxury bones" coz they are jolly expensive to get fixed.
Seems obvious why dentists would rather the £1000/hour for a private patient than the £37 or whatever the NHS will reimburse.
Seems obvious why dentists would rather the £1000/hour for a private patient than the £37 or whatever the NHS will reimburse.
Extra cash has been passed up in at least one location "there were no expressions of interested received from eligible and willing practices in York, therefore there were no additional sessions provided."
£50m
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/20615727.york-got...
turbobloke said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/14/mp...
"MPs demand dentistry overhaul as patients resort to DIY treatment"
Not that we have a G.E. around the time corner "MPs demand dentistry overhaul as patients resort to DIY treatment"
. Here in my home town of Bury St Edmunds we have the dubious distinction of the worst NHS dentistry services in England. That is in terms of lack of dentists for NHS treatment. Our MP was under secretary for health 2019 - 2021.
So bad, non existent is the NHS dental service we have a mobile dentists (charity funded) turn up to a car park ready to accept patients in dire need of dental attention. Those in such need queue in the car park awaiting their turn.
Bury st Edmunds is considered to be a wealthy town.
Personally wife and I were fortunate to be listed with our dentist years ago. However, should we be removed from the list or remove ourselves from the list of patients we would almost certainly have to go private dental care or join aforementioned queue.
Doofus said:
Jim the Sunderer said:
I call them "luxury bones" coz they are jolly expensive to get fixed.
Seems obvious why dentists would rather the £1000/hour for a private patient than the £37 or whatever the NHS will reimburse.
My dentist drives a Ferrari F12 (or 812) and a Maserati.Seems obvious why dentists would rather the £1000/hour for a private patient than the £37 or whatever the NHS will reimburse.
One of my Brothers step sons is a dentist, specialises in full mouth reconstruction work. Good money apparently.
I have every sympathy with those who can’t get on an NHS list, but this is entirely down to the governments naive and wonky thinking. They persist in treating those with market power (ie those able to set their own fees) as if they were some intransigent and uppity employee with no real world choice other than to accept what they are offered.
The government are on the wrong side of market forces on this one. They have, for a couple of decades held down doctors’ dentists and others salaries whilst watching inflation trickle upwards in the smug and cynical knowledge that they are cutting their wage bill in real terms by doing so.
I have no sympathy for the government on this one at all. The possibility that salary increases would be inflationary at this point is entirely and exclusively down to their own long term policy.
The only thing keeping dentists in the NHS is some kind of social conscience and that has been worn to a very fine thread.
The government are on the wrong side of market forces on this one. They have, for a couple of decades held down doctors’ dentists and others salaries whilst watching inflation trickle upwards in the smug and cynical knowledge that they are cutting their wage bill in real terms by doing so.
I have no sympathy for the government on this one at all. The possibility that salary increases would be inflationary at this point is entirely and exclusively down to their own long term policy.
The only thing keeping dentists in the NHS is some kind of social conscience and that has been worn to a very fine thread.
Astacus said:
I have every sympathy with those who can’t get on an NHS list, but this is entirely down to the governments naive and wonky thinking. They persist in treating those with market power (ie those able to set their own fees) as if they were some intransigent and uppity employee with no real world choice other than to accept what they are offered.
The government are on the wrong side of market forces on this one. They have, for a couple of decades held down doctors’ dentists and others salaries whilst watching inflation trickle upwards in the smug and cynical knowledge that they are cutting their wage bill in real terms by doing so.
I have no sympathy for the government on this one at all. The possibility that salary increases would be inflationary at this point is entirely and exclusively down to their own long term policy.
The only thing keeping dentists in the NHS is some kind of social conscience and that has been worn to a very fine thread.
Nicely rounded up facts.The government are on the wrong side of market forces on this one. They have, for a couple of decades held down doctors’ dentists and others salaries whilst watching inflation trickle upwards in the smug and cynical knowledge that they are cutting their wage bill in real terms by doing so.
I have no sympathy for the government on this one at all. The possibility that salary increases would be inflationary at this point is entirely and exclusively down to their own long term policy.
The only thing keeping dentists in the NHS is some kind of social conscience and that has been worn to a very fine thread.
The only question is wether it’s all part of a longer game to privatise the services.Those that can afford are having their health issues attended to via the private sector.
crankedup5 said:
Astacus said:
I have every sympathy with those who can’t get on an NHS list, but this is entirely down to the governments naive and wonky thinking. They persist in treating those with market power (ie those able to set their own fees) as if they were some intransigent and uppity employee with no real world choice other than to accept what they are offered.
The government are on the wrong side of market forces on this one. They have, for a couple of decades held down doctors’ dentists and others salaries whilst watching inflation trickle upwards in the smug and cynical knowledge that they are cutting their wage bill in real terms by doing so.
I have no sympathy for the government on this one at all. The possibility that salary increases would be inflationary at this point is entirely and exclusively down to their own long term policy.
The only thing keeping dentists in the NHS is some kind of social conscience and that has been worn to a very fine thread.
Nicely rounded up facts.The government are on the wrong side of market forces on this one. They have, for a couple of decades held down doctors’ dentists and others salaries whilst watching inflation trickle upwards in the smug and cynical knowledge that they are cutting their wage bill in real terms by doing so.
I have no sympathy for the government on this one at all. The possibility that salary increases would be inflationary at this point is entirely and exclusively down to their own long term policy.
The only thing keeping dentists in the NHS is some kind of social conscience and that has been worn to a very fine thread.
The only question is wether it’s all part of a longer game to privatise the services.Those that can afford are having their health issues attended to via the private sector.
S600BSB said:
Incredible how this government has literally destroyed NHS dental services in the last few years. Yet more broken Britain.
My last NHS dentist went private about 20 years ago. I went on the local waiting list to get a new NHS dentist - never heard anything, so eventually went private.This all started well before "this government" came into power.
It's so bad here in Cornwall now that you'll be lucky to even find a private dentist that's taking on new patients without a lengthy wait, so it's definitely got worse in the last few years.
Touch wood I've been lucky, but my daughter is now seeing a private orthodontist due to simply no chance of getting seen within the needed timeframe on the NHS.
I get all my dental work done in the Philippines, full set of 6 upper veneers, that'll be £400 sir. I now look like the vicar from Dick Emery, apart from one clip in denture which, in the UK I was told was "not possible" to do due to safety concerns that I might swallow it if I fell asleep. My lovely Filipina dentist took a mould of my gnashers, within 12 hours I had a silicone clip in missing tooth for 30 quid.
The state of dentistry in the UK is shocking,I know of several dentists (in the Philippines) who are as good as any Dentist in the UK, clamouring to come here and work but can't due to red tape and a refusal of the Govt to recognise any of their qualifications.
I get all my dental work done in the Philippines, full set of 6 upper veneers, that'll be £400 sir. I now look like the vicar from Dick Emery, apart from one clip in denture which, in the UK I was told was "not possible" to do due to safety concerns that I might swallow it if I fell asleep. My lovely Filipina dentist took a mould of my gnashers, within 12 hours I had a silicone clip in missing tooth for 30 quid.
The state of dentistry in the UK is shocking,I know of several dentists (in the Philippines) who are as good as any Dentist in the UK, clamouring to come here and work but can't due to red tape and a refusal of the Govt to recognise any of their qualifications.
S600BSB said:
Incredible how this government has literally destroyed NHS dental services in the last few years. Yet more broken Britain.
Whilst I don’t think the currently government has done much to help matters, NHS dentistry was broken pretty much from the birth of the NHS. It has never really been properly funded/integrated.https://dentistry.co.uk/2018/09/19/nhs-dentistry-t...
The current NHS contract for dentists is a joke; it’s just not economic for them to provide services to patients on many cases. To make matters worse, when NHS patients don’t turn up for appointments, there’s no reimbursement for the dentist, who still has to pay themselves, their dental nurse, etc.
clockworks said:
My last NHS dentist went private about 20 years ago. I went on the local waiting list to get a new NHS dentist - never heard anything, so eventually went private.
This all started well before "this government" came into power.
It's so bad here in Cornwall now that you'll be lucky to even find a private dentist that's taking on new patients without a lengthy wait, so it's definitely got worse in the last few years.
I have a dentist mate who briefly got involved with Cornish nhs services and funding, he resigned very quickly when he saw what was going on. Cornwall has some specific issues and struggles to bc recruit, added to which it seems there are some snouts in the nhs trough which I believe is funded from Bristol. The problem of funding is now coming home to roost in dentistry despite years of warnings, which nhs service will be next?This all started well before "this government" came into power.
It's so bad here in Cornwall now that you'll be lucky to even find a private dentist that's taking on new patients without a lengthy wait, so it's definitely got worse in the last few years.
Of course someone will be along shortly to tell us that it’s all the fault of too many managers and pen pushers, I thing to do with systemic dismantling to open the door to private provision of services.
Edited by Blue62 on Friday 14th July 21:30
r3g said:
No shortage of money to send to Ukraine and to pay for endless unwanted immigration turning the country in a 3rd world craphole and putting increased pressure on already strained services, but no money to ensure all the native Brits have access to basic dental treatment. It's a national disgrace.
It may interest you to know that 3 in 5 dentists who’ve registered in this country in the last 2 decades qualified abroad. Bloody immigrants coming here and fixing our teeth, the b
ds.djc206 said:
r3g said:
No shortage of money to send to Ukraine and to pay for endless unwanted immigration turning the country in a 3rd world craphole and putting increased pressure on already strained services, but no money to ensure all the native Brits have access to basic dental treatment. It's a national disgrace.
It may interest you to know that 3 in 5 dentists who’ve registered in this country in the last 2 decades qualified abroad. Bloody immigrants coming here and fixing our teeth, the bds.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff