Police solve no thefts at all in most neighbourhoods

[s1962a]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/25/theft-...

https://archive.ph/2pVx7

article said:

Theft has been decriminalised across two thirds of neighbourhoods in England and Wales over the past three years

This is shocking but not surprising. Are any of the parties offering to do anything about it?

[Biggy Stardust]

They do really well enforcing speed limits & fine lots of people for exceeding them. That more than makes up for other shortcomings, surely?

[Don Roque]

We need an absolutely massive investment in the police and prisons, and courts that are actually going to punish the criminals out before them. This seems unlikely to happen because this dire country is run on a shoestring budget.

[sugerbear]

It's all labours fault / Jeremy Corbyn / woke something something

[Bright Halo]

I wonder how the 20,000 extra police recruitment is going?

[SmoothCriminal]

No surprise, too busy investigating mean tweets or people burning cult flags or theyre out dancing at pride.

[SAS Tom]

Bright Halo said:

I wonder how the 20,000 extra police recruitment is going?

I think they’re just to replace all the paedos and rapists in the force that have been caught.

[Wills2]

Biggy Stardust said:

They do really well enforcing speed limits & fine lots of people for exceeding them. That more than makes up for other shortcomings, surely?

This highlights the utterly bizarre position we've found ourselves, in millions of people fined for drifting over arbitrary speed limits whilst career criminals go about their trade with impunity.

A seemingly limitless budget for cameras/traffic lights/speed humps and other traffic calming measures such as taking a perfectly straight road and turning into some kind of assault course, their sole aim seems to be to increase journey times, create more pollution and stress whilst raking in 100's of millions so they can rinse and repeat.

[Ari]

I think the police force generally suffers from the exact same malaise that local councils, politicians, the NHS and many other large institutions do. It feels very much to me as though there simply is no professionalism anymore.

No one is trying to do the very best job they can and to the best of their personal ability - quite the reverse in fact. The attitude now seems to be, what's the very least I can get away with actually doing and what's the shoddiest level I can get away with doing it at.

Your average copper/council worker/politician knows he/she is going to get paid at the end of the month and, unless they do something very stupid (like misgender someone), they will next month and the one after that too.

So why bother doing anything difficult or working harder than the absolute bare minimum?

[Sixsixtysix]

Ari said:

Your average copper/council worker/politician knows he/she is going to get paid at the end of the month and, unless they do something very stupid (like misgender someone), they will next month and the one after that too.

You can apply that to every private sector organisation too. It's a complete myth that the private sector doesn't employ the lazy and feckless - it's just there is little public scrutiny of it unless the st really hits the fan and the press get hold of a story.

[Oliver Hardy]

Has anyone watched interceptors on Channel 5 lately, seems like a lot of cases get dropped.

In this weeks show they lost a driver from I think it was a stolen Golf, it was stolen by threatening the owner with a crow bar, yet they just recovered in with no attempts to recover any evidence.

[pavarotti1980]

Oliver Hardy said:

Has anyone watched interceptors on Channel 5 lately, seems like a lot of cases get dropped.

In this weeks show they lost a driver from I think it was a stolen Golf, it was stolen by threatening the owner with a crow bar, yet they just recovered in with no attempts to recover any evidence.

How do you know there were no attempts to recover any evidence? It didn't show anything past the truck picking it up....

[Oliver Hardy]

pavarotti1980 said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Has anyone watched interceptors on Channel 5 lately, seems like a lot of cases get dropped.

In this weeks show they lost a driver from I think it was a stolen Golf, it was stolen by threatening the owner with a crow bar, yet they just recovered in with no attempts to recover any evidence.

How do you know there were no attempts to recover any evidence? It didn't show anything past the truck picking it up....

Well i don't, but when they were putting it on a truck they just drove it up, made no attempts tp preserve evidence.. Would they have not winched it up if it was going to go through CSI?

[Greendubber]

Oliver Hardy said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Has anyone watched interceptors on Channel 5 lately, seems like a lot of cases get dropped.

In this weeks show they lost a driver from I think it was a stolen Golf, it was stolen by threatening the owner with a crow bar, yet they just recovered in with no attempts to recover any evidence.

How do you know there were no attempts to recover any evidence? It didn't show anything past the truck picking it up....

Well i don't, but when they were putting it on a truck they just drove it up, made no attempts tp preserve evidence.. Would they have not winched it up if it was going to go through CSI?

In reality forensic examinations aren't completed on the side of the road, the vehicles go to the recovery yard and are listed for examination by FSI (usually the following day)

If I go to one of our recovery yards there's nearly always an FSI van up there with someone trying to get prints etc from recovered cars. It does happen, so just because channel 5 don't show it don't assume it doesn't. There's not always a need to winch them on unless it's a full forensic recovery (ie involved in serious offence, normally resulting in death it serious injury)

Edited by Greendubber on Wednesday 28th June 15:48

[Greendubber]

Ari said:

I think the police force generally suffers from the exact same malaise that local councils, politicians, the NHS and many other large institutions do. It feels very much to me as though there simply is no professionalism anymore.

No one is trying to do the very best job they can and to the best of their personal ability - quite the reverse in fact. The attitude now seems to be, what's the very least I can get away with actually doing and what's the shoddiest level I can get away with doing it at.

Your average copper/council worker/politician knows he/she is going to get paid at the end of the month and, unless they do something very stupid (like misgender someone), they will next month and the one after that too.

So why bother doing anything difficult or working harder than the absolute bare minimum?

I can assure you that's mainly nonsense. The majority of cops are there to do their best and try their very best in st circumstances. We're just seeing the result of what people have been voting for sadly, the service has been butchered.

[pavarotti1980]

Oliver Hardy said:

Well i don't, but when they were putting it on a truck they just drove it up, made no attempts tp preserve evidence.. Would they have not winched it up if it was going to go through CSI?

I don't know. You seem to know the answers though

[Tom8]

Just tell the fuzz someone called you a slag on facebook and they will come round.

[Oliver Hardy]

Greendubber said:

Oliver Hardy said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Has anyone watched interceptors on Channel 5 lately, seems like a lot of cases get dropped.

In this weeks show they lost a driver from I think it was a stolen Golf, it was stolen by threatening the owner with a crow bar, yet they just recovered in with no attempts to recover any evidence.

How do you know there were no attempts to recover any evidence? It didn't show anything past the truck picking it up....

Well i don't, but when they were putting it on a truck they just drove it up, made no attempts tp preserve evidence.. Would they have not winched it up if it was going to go through CSI?

In reality forensic examinations aren't completed on the side of the road, the vehicles go to the recovery yard and are listed for examination by FSI (usually the following day)

If I go to one of our recovery yards there's nearly always an FSI van up there with someone trying to get prints etc from recovered cars. It does happen, so just because channel 5 don't show it don't assume it doesn't. There's not always a need to winch them on unless it's a full forensic recovery (ie involved in serious offence, normally resulting in death it serious injury)

Edited by Greendubber on Wednesday 28th June 15:48

Oh Ok, now I know. A few years ago a car was dumped in the car park of a company I was doing some work for, the car was winched on a truck and I was told that was to preserve any evidence. I assumed that always happened as anyone getting in and driving a car onto a transport will contaminate or wipe things like finger prints and other evidence of things they touch, again I presume?

[Greendubber]

Oliver Hardy said:

Greendubber said:

Oliver Hardy said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Has anyone watched interceptors on Channel 5 lately, seems like a lot of cases get dropped.

In this weeks show they lost a driver from I think it was a stolen Golf, it was stolen by threatening the owner with a crow bar, yet they just recovered in with no attempts to recover any evidence.

How do you know there were no attempts to recover any evidence? It didn't show anything past the truck picking it up....

Well i don't, but when they were putting it on a truck they just drove it up, made no attempts tp preserve evidence.. Would they have not winched it up if it was going to go through CSI?

In reality forensic examinations aren't completed on the side of the road, the vehicles go to the recovery yard and are listed for examination by FSI (usually the following day)

If I go to one of our recovery yards there's nearly always an FSI van up there with someone trying to get prints etc from recovered cars. It does happen, so just because channel 5 don't show it don't assume it doesn't. There's not always a need to winch them on unless it's a full forensic recovery (ie involved in serious offence, normally resulting in death it serious injury)

Edited by Greendubber on Wednesday 28th June 15:48

Oh Ok, now I know. A few years ago a car was dumped in the car park of a company I was doing some work for, the car was winched on a truck and I was told that was to preserve any evidence. I assumed that always happened as anyone getting in and driving a car onto a transport will contaminate or wipe things like finger prints and other evidence of things they touch, again I presume?

I can do, it depends on the job but the majority of the time driving them on is fine. Different forces may have different ways of doing it though.

The other way to look at it is...

.....wait for a thread on here about someone moaning that their recovered stolen car was dragged onto a truck an damaged....

[crankedup5]

Greendubber said:

Ari said:

I think the police force generally suffers from the exact same malaise that local councils, politicians, the NHS and many other large institutions do. It feels very much to me as though there simply is no professionalism anymore.

No one is trying to do the very best job they can and to the best of their personal ability - quite the reverse in fact. The attitude now seems to be, what's the very least I can get away with actually doing and what's the shoddiest level I can get away with doing it at.

Your average copper/council worker/politician knows he/she is going to get paid at the end of the month and, unless they do something very stupid (like misgender someone), they will next month and the one after that too.

So why bother doing anything difficult or working harder than the absolute bare minimum?

I can assure you that's mainly nonsense. The majority of cops are there to do their best and try their very best in st circumstances. We're just seeing the result of what people have been voting for sadly, the service has been butchered.

I’m old enough to recall the outcry when the local cop shops were being closed, the local village bobby being moved on from his home/office.
Still at least if one is unfortunate enough to be burgled or have your car nicked you will get a crime number for use to claim from insurance. It’s almost as if policing is non existent now.
All part of the managed decline of the Country.