Electric cars cause TWICE as much road damage as petrol ones

Electric cars cause TWICE as much road damage as petrol ones

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rjfp1962

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Zarco

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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What a surprise.

turbobloke

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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Next, some people will be surprised to learn that EVs aren't zero emission cars, far from it, just at the (non-existent) tailpipe.



s1962a

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169 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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We should just ban all EV's then. Job jobbed.

Jockman

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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And for that pleasure…..we pay no road tax. Yet.

eharding

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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The study referenced in the article seems to focus on the weight of EVs vs the IC equivalent as a factor in road wear, but the margins for additional weight factor of EVs sounds very contrived - yes, batteries are heavy but then you're not lugging a bit lump of an IC engine around. A quick Google shows a BMW 3 series having weights in the range 1,570 to 1,965 kg depending on the model, and a Tesla Model 3 (for example) as 1,726 to 1,847 kg - hardly a massive difference....

AmosMoses

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172 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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I mean its not just electric cars though is it, everything has gotten heavier over the last 20 years and tastes have driven people to bigger cars.

I'd like to read the study and see how they came up with the 2.24 times more damaging figure.

Timothy Bucktu

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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s1962a said:
We should just ban all EV's then. Job jobbed.
No no, no...first we must get everyone into EVs, THEN we declare them bad for the environment and 'encourage' everyone to buy the new thing.

sugerbear

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165 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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Is the daily fail also suggesting that we ban transit vans as well.

snuffy

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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Timothy Bucktu said:
s1962a said:
We should just ban all EV's then. Job jobbed.
No no, no...first we must get everyone into EVs, THEN we declare them bad for the environment and 'encourage' everyone to buy the new thing.
See diesels for further details.

Zetec-S

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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What a load of clickbait ste... although I guess it worked as I briefly scanned the article to confirm my suspicions hehe

s1962a

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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Timothy Bucktu said:
s1962a said:
We should just ban all EV's then. Job jobbed.
No no, no...first we must get everyone into EVs, THEN we declare them bad for the environment and 'encourage' everyone to buy the new thing.
Hydrogen is the future! Even better if we can have a nuclear fusion black hole powered ICE car

Jockman

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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s1962a said:
Hydrogen is the future!
Could be for commercial and agricultural. Or bio fuels.

Triumph Man

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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sugerbear said:
Is the daily fail also suggesting that we ban transit vans as well.
Just the Ford Transit? Or other vans as well?

rscott

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198 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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Zetec-S said:
What a load of clickbait ste... although I guess it worked as I briefly scanned the article to confirm my suspicions hehe
What a surprise. it's based around an article in the Telegraph - they've been running a series of anti-EV reports recently, starting with the one which claimed EVs are too heavy for our car parks, but didn't mention that many of the SUVs which have been using them for decades are considerably heavier..

rscott

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198 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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When the article includes utter nonsense like this:-


DailyFail said:
Electric cars, which are roughly twice as heavy as standard models, could also cause serious damage to car park floors with especially older, unloved structures most at risk of buckling, experts have said.
They've also said the EV versions are, on average, 312kg heavier than the ICE. Surely that means the ICE only weighs 312kg and the EV 624kg? Or they could be spouting random bullst again.

Lotobear

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135 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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....I can kinda predict exactly how this thread is going to run.

s1962a

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Tuesday 27th June 2023
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rscott said:
They've also said the EV versions are, on average, 312kg heavier than the ICE. Surely that means the ICE only weighs 312kg and the EV 624kg? Or they could be spouting random bullst again.
Considering how quick some EV's are, maybe the roads are getting chewed up by EV owners launching their car at every opportunity? laugh



biggles330d

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157 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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First, an admission, I'm a fan of EVs.

Now thats out of the way, yes, EV's might be a touch heavier and technically I guess that has an impact.

A more honest headline might have been "New, safer cars cause TWICE as much road damage as older and much lighter ones that don't comply with modern crash safety standards or hundreds of kg of comfort and convenience features"

...given the roads and carparks mentioned were probably designed around accommodating Triumph Dolomites and Ford Cortina's and not 1600kg Toyota SUVs. Even pure petrol ones.

SteveStrange

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220 months

Tuesday 27th June 2023
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Yes they put more wear on the roads.

BUT.

That wear is negligible. Road life/wear/design is measured in (tens of, or hundreds of) MSAs - or "Million Standard Axles". A "Standard Axle" is an HGV axle, and is around 8 tonnes. So a road could very realistically have a design life of 100 MSAs over 50 years.

The difference between a 1tonne and 2 tonne car, is so small you might as well not bother considering it, in the real world.

Weather conditions have far more of an impact on potholes.