Till Lindemann allegations

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BrettMRC

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4,378 posts

166 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6591...

Various reports have been running in the german media about this for a week or two, now picked up by UK mainstream as well.

A shock if true, Rammstein are one of the all time great live acts and the fact they even have time for this mid-show is startling!

BikeBikeBIke

9,647 posts

121 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Wait!? Musicians and groupies have sex?

When did this start happening?

eek

Equus

16,980 posts

107 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Wait!? Musicians and groupies have sex?

When did this start happening?

eek
This.

Puts an interesting new slant on THIS video, though! NSFW

JagLover

43,594 posts

241 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Wait!? Musicians and groupies have sex?

When did this start happening?

eek
Think it might have been something to do with the Sixties, or maybe that Elvis with his lewd gyrating.

98elise

27,871 posts

167 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Unless there was some sort of control or coercion going on I'm not seeing what the offence is?

Groupies have been a thing for decades. As long as the participants and willing then surely it's just casual sex between two adults.

Zoon

6,835 posts

127 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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BrettMRC said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6591...

Various reports have been running in the german media about this for a week or two, now picked up by UK mainstream as well.

A shock if true, Rammstein are one of the all time great live acts and the fact they even have time for this mid-show is startling!
He's clearly not fussy, her hair has been cut with a basin.

deadtom

2,665 posts

171 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Equus said:
This.

Puts an interesting new slant on THIS video, though! NSFW
restricted video (unsurprisingly!) so can't see it, but I assume that's the music video that shows uncensored sex, effectively 3 minutes of pr0n?

I am pretty sure it was confirmed that it's clever editing and body doubles, and given who Rammstein are I expect if they were going to lie about it, they would insist it was really them in order to ramp up the controversy rather than vice versa


deadtom

2,665 posts

171 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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98elise said:
Unless there was some sort of control or coercion going on I'm not seeing what the offence is?

Groupies have been a thing for decades. As long as the participants and willing then surely it's just casual sex between two adults.
It hinges on the 'willing and able to consent' though.

I've been a fan of Rammstein for a long time so I hope it's all above board (as much as using illicit drugs ever is), but if they really are guilty of coercion and spiking drinks then I hope they get absolutely battered by the law. It's not as if they would struggle to find post show female company without coercion after all.

GiantEnemyCrab

7,713 posts

209 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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BrettMRC said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6591...

Various reports have been running in the german media about this for a week or two, now picked up by UK mainstream as well.

A shock if true, Rammstein are one of the all time great live acts and the fact they even have time for this mid-show is startling!
Does that article says she left the after party with no issues, but still feels heartbroken, etc, etc.... in the video?

98elise

27,871 posts

167 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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deadtom said:
98elise said:
Unless there was some sort of control or coercion going on I'm not seeing what the offence is?

Groupies have been a thing for decades. As long as the participants and willing then surely it's just casual sex between two adults.
It hinges on the 'willing and able to consent' though.

I've been a fan of Rammstein for a long time so I hope it's all above board (as much as using illicit drugs ever is), but if they really are guilty of coercion and spiking drinks then I hope they get absolutely battered by the law. It's not as if they would struggle to find post show female company without coercion after all.
Agreed. I have no idea who the group are so I'm just taking it at face value of usual groupie stuff.

If there is more to it than that then yes it should be subject to the law.



vetrof

2,569 posts

179 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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BBC article said:
but left when Mr Lindemann arrived
Rejected more like.

Mastodon2

13,889 posts

171 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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deadtom said:
It's not as if they would struggle to find post show female company without coercion after all.
Quite, that's part of what makes it seem so unlikely. Plus, the Irish woman was discredited early on by a friend she attended the concert with via social media when she made the first allegations, further muddying the waters.

I just don't need Rammstein, particularly Till, needing to drug anyone. As famed lyricist Bob Dylan once sang, "You got a pussy, I have a dick-ah, so what's the problem? Let's do it, quick".

Equus

16,980 posts

107 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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deadtom said:
restricted video (unsurprisingly!) so can't see it, but I assume that's the music video that shows uncensored sex, effectively 3 minutes of pr0n?
Not it's not the one you're thinking of, I don't think (though it does include a few seconds of Lindemann performing sexually explicit acts).

It's the lyrics of the song and the meaning of the video (as I interpret it) that I found amusing in the current context: Lindemann effectively plays a seedy 'cabaret performer' type who is boasting of his past sexual exploits whilst being detained/abused in prison.

THIS is a slightly more worksafe version of the same song.


pquinn

7,167 posts

52 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Sounds a bit unlikely for various reasons?




BikeBikeBIke

9,647 posts

121 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Mastodon2 said:
"You got a pussy, I have a dick-ah, so what's the problem? Let's do it, quick".
The man was a lyrical genius.