Sadiq Khan's plans to scrap travelcards
Discussion
Apologies if covered elsewhere but I've not seen anything advertised on the trains
Forcing people out of cars and charge them more for commuting into London by rail to fill the TFL empty pockets?
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Sadiq Khan's plans to scrap travelcards 'worse than Ulez expansion' (from The Telegraph online via MSN)
Home Counties councils and politicians have slammed proposals by Sadiq Khan to scrap day travelcards in London, with some suggesting it could be worse than the Ulez expansion for residents.
Councils including Surrey and Kent County Councils have voiced their opposition to the plans, which if taken forward could be brought in before the end of the year.
Last month, Transport for London (TfL) announced that it was considering scrapping day travelcards, along with group day travelcards and child day travelcards.
The move would also see the end of commuters from outside the capital being able to add on travelcards to rail tickets into the city, heaping on additional costs.
With classic flawed "consultation"
All three councils criticised TfL’s consultation process, saying the body had failed to directly contact them about the changes, despite most of their constituents being affected.
Instead, travellers would have to pay separately for their rail tickets into London and for pay-as-you-go travel in the city.
Full article:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/sadiq-khan-s...
Forcing people out of cars and charge them more for commuting into London by rail to fill the TFL empty pockets?
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Sadiq Khan's plans to scrap travelcards 'worse than Ulez expansion' (from The Telegraph online via MSN)
Home Counties councils and politicians have slammed proposals by Sadiq Khan to scrap day travelcards in London, with some suggesting it could be worse than the Ulez expansion for residents.
Councils including Surrey and Kent County Councils have voiced their opposition to the plans, which if taken forward could be brought in before the end of the year.
Last month, Transport for London (TfL) announced that it was considering scrapping day travelcards, along with group day travelcards and child day travelcards.
The move would also see the end of commuters from outside the capital being able to add on travelcards to rail tickets into the city, heaping on additional costs.
With classic flawed "consultation"
All three councils criticised TfL’s consultation process, saying the body had failed to directly contact them about the changes, despite most of their constituents being affected.
Instead, travellers would have to pay separately for their rail tickets into London and for pay-as-you-go travel in the city.
Full article:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/sadiq-khan-s...
Edited by Wonderman on Saturday 10th June 22:34
ScotHill said:
Do London residents currently get to travel all day for £5.50/£3.65, or do they have to face the £14.90 cap every day?
Is this about non-London residents not having Oyster cards?
No idea re Londoners, they've had their vote/ consultations. Day trippers will no doubt have to suck it up as part of the cost of going to London and mess around with a to London ticket and then queue with the slow barriers waving their payment method of choice at the reader- not sure what the children would use. The biggest hit will be on those that can't afford to live in London and commute usually purchasing a season ticket which includes zonal travel to help manage budgets, understand if a salary is worth the slog or if they need to ask for a raise (or more hours) just to cover costs of getting in (it also gives a guaranteed income regardless of use to commuter train and TfL). Doesn't really support the get back to the office plan does it, nor help given current economic climate, but I presume TfL has a large hole to fill which trumps actual debate.Is this about non-London residents not having Oyster cards?
For a family day trip it already often works out cheaper to drive into London and pay parking, which I've done when I'd rather jump on a train as I get to drive; if they pull group saver this gap just widens.
For a commute I'd be back on a motorbike to avoid the already horrendous season ticket charges before even factoring in the addition of cross London travel, others don't have that choice.
It's the usual for "consultations" from any party /persuasion as a tick box exercise, what is galling it that this Mayor is just more blatant at ignoring peoples views than others and not even contacting those affected in this case shows a level of contempt higher than even the usual- although saves flack for just ignoring responses I suppose.
As a family we are now more often looking away from the capital for leisure venues, and work wise the draw of employment against the drain of the full time commute is making less and less sense than hybrid or full remote working; perhaps the levelling up is to make London unattractive, not sure that helps employers in London or the wider economy but I'm sure those in power have the planet and our well being first and foremost centred in their hearts and in every decision made...
Venisonpie said:
TFL is skint, charging non voters extra for using its services is zero risk to the Mayor. London is an international tourist destination with most visitors totally unaware of the consequences.
With many jobs no longer 5 days in the office there will be plenty of voters still wanting one day travelcards. In any case hopefully this hastens the end of the traditional office commute. 
Venisonpie said:
TFL is skint,
Probably why they are overcharging people. My train journey yesterday on their website is £3.30, look at my bank statement today and I have been charged £9.60. A quid or two I wouldn't bother but for almost trippling my fare I have requested a redund of the difference out of principal.Also Khan needs to push through the ULEZ to fill the coffers of TfL
ScotHill said:
So can someone tell me what a London resident would have to pay for all day travel currently? Is it just the £14.90 daily cap? If so why would non-residents get a discount? And if not why can non-residents not just do what the residents do?
I'm a Londoner and according to the website it's £5.25 a day on the tube. I've no idea what a travelcard is/what it's for but if all you're doing is using the tube all you need to do is register a debit or credit card and off you go.
I just touch in with my phone.
Vasco said:
ThunderSpook said:
This does seem a bit daft, because currently for under 18’s a travel card is pretty much the only option if you don’t live in London.
Is Oyster not available to under 18s ?If you’re just visiting once or twice a year then it’s really not worth it for the expense of it and the faff of it, it’s only really for regular users.
AC43 said:
I'm a Londoner and according to the website it's £5.25 a day on the tube.
I've no idea what a travelcard is/what it's for but if all you're doing is using the tube all you need to do is register a debit or credit card and off you go.
I just touch in with my phone.
Can you point me to the website for the £5.25 a day on the tube.I've no idea what a travelcard is/what it's for but if all you're doing is using the tube all you need to do is register a debit or credit card and off you go.
I just touch in with my phone.
Looking here I can't see anyting under £8.10
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/tube-and-rail-...
A tavelcard (trains tubes and busses) for me out in Zone 6 is £15.20 or if pay as you go Oyster or debit card it is capped at £14.90
ScotHill said:
So can someone tell me what a London resident would have to pay for all day travel currently? Is it just the £14.90 daily cap? If so why would non-residents get a discount? And if not why can non-residents not just do what the residents do?
Travel cards are available to everyone. Nobody asks you where you live when you buy a ticket.What you are asking is why residents can't buy a cheap travel card without having to buy rail ticket. Commuters can't do that either.
Am I missing something?
Why do you need a travelcard if you have a credit or debit card? Our staff used to have to buy Travelcards, They now just tap in and out using CC/DC and they can claim back the costs simply by downloading the travel report from the TFL website. It's much easier.
Why do you need a travelcard if you have a credit or debit card? Our staff used to have to buy Travelcards, They now just tap in and out using CC/DC and they can claim back the costs simply by downloading the travel report from the TFL website. It's much easier.
Countdown said:
Am I missing something?
Why do you need a travelcard if you have a credit or debit card? Our staff used to have to buy Travelcards, They now just tap in and out using CC/DC and they can claim back the costs simply by downloading the travel report from the TFL website. It's much easier.
Because it's a combined train and underground ticket. Why do you need a travelcard if you have a credit or debit card? Our staff used to have to buy Travelcards, They now just tap in and out using CC/DC and they can claim back the costs simply by downloading the travel report from the TFL website. It's much easier.
thebraketester said:
Because it's a combined train and underground ticket.
Ah ok. To be honest I always found those a PITA. For some reason the ticket scanners at the UG stations would never recognise the ticket, as if they had been demagnetised or something. Actually IIRC weren't the "combined tickets" only for ONE return Tube journey? i.e. I'd get to Euston, then get on the Underground for one outbound journey, then make one return journey back to Euston. If you were in London for the day and had to make multiple journeys you still had to buy a separate travelcard.
I think.
To explain what this affects:
When you travel into London stations by national rail you have the option of adding a "day travelcard" to your rail ticket. This gives you unlimited travel on the tube and buses all day. The cost is less than the oyster/contactless cap, and is also discounted further if you have a railcard. For example it's £7.50 on top of a rail ticket from here, or £4.30 with a railcard. That is cheaper than 2x zone 1 underground fares.
I assume it's discounted because:
- They found that rail users who bought the travelcard mostly did it for convenience and rarely made much use of the ticket
- Historically it would reduce pressure on the TfL ticketing system at the destinations
When you travel into London stations by national rail you have the option of adding a "day travelcard" to your rail ticket. This gives you unlimited travel on the tube and buses all day. The cost is less than the oyster/contactless cap, and is also discounted further if you have a railcard. For example it's £7.50 on top of a rail ticket from here, or £4.30 with a railcard. That is cheaper than 2x zone 1 underground fares.
I assume it's discounted because:
- They found that rail users who bought the travelcard mostly did it for convenience and rarely made much use of the ticket
- Historically it would reduce pressure on the TfL ticketing system at the destinations
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