Kids getting stabbed in France

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mick987

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116 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Not looking good up to 8 young children have been stabbed in a French playground. Hope for the best but it does not sound good.

budgie smuggler

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165 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/65843586

bbc said:
Summary

Children are in a critical condition following a knife attack in the alpine town of Annecy, south-eastern France, according to reports

The attack was carried out in a park by a Syrian man, 45, who was seeking refugee status, police say

French media report that the injured children are around the age of three and two of them, and one man, are in a critical condition

French President Emmanuel Macron has said "the nation is in shock" following the attack

The city's mayor has denounced the "appalling attack" and said a press conference will be held later

s1962a

5,682 posts

168 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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This is an appalling attack. Hope the kids and people attacked make a speedy recovery.

Shame the police didn't shoot to kill the attacker.

Niponeoff

2,404 posts

33 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Just unbelievable, what goes through people's heads to carry out such a thing.

Hope the children pull through. Heart breaking.

Biker 1

7,859 posts

125 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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This is grim. WTF do 3 year old kids get singled out??
Just terrible...

TopTrump

3,296 posts

180 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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So upsetting, can't even begin to imagine...

No doubt someone will be along to defend the perp in a sec.


pquinn

7,167 posts

52 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Latest updates say he's a 32 year old Syrian granted asylum by the generous Swedes.

As for the why, probably follows the usual pattern.

croyde

23,739 posts

236 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Effing coward! He knows that kids are powerless to fight back.

I hope someone beats him to a pulp!

I was going to say just unbelievable and shocking but sadly this isn't in this day and age.

mwstewart

7,931 posts

194 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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pquinn said:
Latest updates say he's a 32 year old Syrian granted asylum by the generous Swedes.

As for the why, probably follows the usual pattern.
Surprise surprise. What a ghastly attack.

Tom8

2,741 posts

160 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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So grim, so sad and yet so inevitable.

fiatpower

3,164 posts

177 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Video floating around on Twitter showing him running around a playground trying to stab a child in their pram. One guy was trying to stop him by using his bag but a couple of guys hiding away letting it happen!

Rushjob

1,953 posts

264 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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fiatpower said:
a couple of guys hiding away letting it happen!
Your point being??

The only defence to a knife attack is distance - sorry but going towards someone armed with a knife and prepared to use it is pretty much guaranteed to get you injured at best.

Spent my working life dealing with this, distance and a firearm are the two effective defences.

fiatpower

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177 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Rushjob said:
Your point being??

The only defence to a knife attack is distance - sorry but going towards someone armed with a knife and prepared to use it is pretty much guaranteed to get you injured at best.

Spent my working life dealing with this, distance and a firearm are the two effective defences.
So you’d be happy to stand and watch a baby/young child get stabbed? Easy to say you’d step in I know but come on. Many examples of unarmed people tackling knife men

Catastrophic Poo

5,063 posts

192 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Rushjob said:
fiatpower said:
a couple of guys hiding away letting it happen!
Your point being??

The only defence to a knife attack is distance - sorry but going towards someone armed with a knife and prepared to use it is pretty much guaranteed to get you injured at best.

Spent my working life dealing with this, distance and a firearm are the two effective defences.
You should probably tell that to the kid strapped into the pram.

The Ferret

1,167 posts

166 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Tom8 said:
So grim, so sad and yet so inevitable.
Perfectly summed up in a single sentence

Genuine Barn Find

5,815 posts

221 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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As a father to a 6 year old and 4 year old, i can honestly say that my paternal instinct would be at full pelt. I would do everything in my power to prevent a baby/toddler being stabbed in a pram, even if it meant risking death myself. I wouldn’t be hiding.

jshell

11,251 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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This thread won't last long.

Rushjob

1,953 posts

264 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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fiatpower said:
So you’d be happy to stand and watch a baby/young child get stabbed? Easy to say you’d step in I know but come on. Many examples of unarmed people tackling knife men
Where do I imply that I'd be happy? Really? Please.....

I pointed out that you are pretty much guaranteed a serious injury getting involved.

As I said, spent my working life both dealing with it and training folks how to deal with it.

Me personally, if I were able to arm myself with some sort of weapon, very possibly I'd attempt to intervene, but a member of the public who's probably in fear of their life, unarmed and not used to being in dynamic and violent situations, then not a good idea.

Fight or flight is programmed into us and it takes quite an effort to overrule the flight drive, then once you've done that you've then got to keep the red mist out of the way and plan your actions.

Interesting that when you look at the primary defender in the Fishmongers Hall attack when he used the narwhal tusk, he was a serving prisoner with a history of violent crime so had very likely experienced violence before and was able to to pretty much do what I've outlined above.

Perhaps the guy with the bag you mention didn't have an escape route or more skin in the game such as his family involved which totally changes the game, but going forward unarmed is up there as a genuine last resort.

Knives don't run out of ammunition, they don't jam or misfire, they're silent and most stab victims think they've simply been punched so try to fight back only to receive further, often fatal, injuries.

Many examples of good samaritans in knife attacks getting serious or worse injuries too.

It's a st situation definitely, but sometimes you've got to leave it to the people best equipped to respond, or run the fker over!

No way would I subject anyone who decided to stay out of the way to the 9 o'clock shudder squad, unlike you.

JagLover

43,594 posts

241 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Rushjob said:
Many examples of good samaritans in knife attacks getting serious or worse injuries too.

It's a st situation definitely, but sometimes you've got to leave it to the people best equipped to respond, or run the fker over!

No way would I subject anyone who decided to stay out of the way to the 9 o'clock shudder squad, unlike you.
Until people are in that situation it is hard to know how they would react. If they were unrelated adults I probably wouldn't try to help to be honest. I like to think I would do something if it were toddlers though, even if just trying to distract the knifeman.

poo at Paul's

14,314 posts

181 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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31 year old Syrian ex refugee with asylum granted in Sweden status being reported.

What possesses people to do such things? Its the stuff of nightmares.