Community cohesion
Discussion
Is your community cohesive?
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
pequod said:
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale
I would expect them to be miles ahead and always have been miles ahead. They all score far higher in the overall trust people have for each other and their society.
That's not a strong point in this country and is ever dwindling. That's not going to help cohesiveness.
I presume in places where the government is not your best bud, such as China, the population form stronger ties with each other.
Randy Winkman said:
"Even the ScandiNorge countries ...... "
Not sure what you have against them. There might be one or two gang problems on the outskirts of the Swedish cities but on the whole they are pretty good at equality and inclusivity in most places.
Exactly my point, we are behind our close neighbours, geographically and by heritage, yet we are less socially cohesive than them.Not sure what you have against them. There might be one or two gang problems on the outskirts of the Swedish cities but on the whole they are pretty good at equality and inclusivity in most places.
Why is this?
pequod said:
Is your community cohesive?
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
Isn't the whole point of being multicultural to not be cohesive?https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
If we were all from the same background with the same world view we'd be boringly cohesive, but we'd be missing out on a lot.
BikeBikeBIke said:
pequod said:
Is your community cohesive?
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
Isn't the whole point of being multicultural to not be cohesive?https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
If we were all from the same background with the same world view we'd be boringly cohesive, but we'd be missing out on a lot.
Singapore is an interesting case study; almost all housing is owned by the Government, and they have policies in place that prevent one ethnic group from dominating an area. In any given neigbourhood, there are strict quotas that balance ethnic backgrounds, and sometimes people do not get to live where they want because the quota is full for them.
Rivenink said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
pequod said:
Is your community cohesive?
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
Isn't the whole point of being multicultural to not be cohesive?https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/equalities-hu...
I note, from another source (Bertelsmann Stiftung), the UK is less socially cohesive than China, Singapore, S. Korea, and Australia to name but a few.
Even the ScandiNorge countries are ahead of us on the scale so, I wonder what we in the UK, are doing wrong?
If we were all from the same background with the same world view we'd be boringly cohesive, but we'd be missing out on a lot.
Singapore is an interesting case study; almost all housing is owned by the Government, and they have policies in place that prevent one ethnic group from dominating an area. In any given neigbourhood, there are strict quotas that balance ethnic backgrounds, and sometimes people do not get to live where they want because the quota is full for them.
Ridgemont said:
Quite. And sure a cohesive society may have some benefits but I wouldn’t be using China as a case study given their methodology.
I think we can disregard China from the debate, doncha think, albeit it appears to score quite highly on the SC scale?More interesting is Iceland. A small community of similar culture and family ties yet, they're not top of the list of social cohesion? Amazed, I am?
Taking London as an example there are clearly many parts where social cohesion is pretty good. But there are also localised areas where one racial background has come to dominate - sometimes to the point of flight of previous residents. Anyone who knows London remotely well could easily describe the perceived dominant ethnic backgrounds in the E, NW, SE, SW, W etc of the city.
The question is how do you reverse the trend (if desired) and encourage more cohesion? It seems people tend to naturally gravitate towards where their fellow people are in the main and the ‘problem’ is exacerbated, rather than more diverse backgrounds moving in.
Thoughts from a white bloke in a Sussex village (proving the stereotype
).
The question is how do you reverse the trend (if desired) and encourage more cohesion? It seems people tend to naturally gravitate towards where their fellow people are in the main and the ‘problem’ is exacerbated, rather than more diverse backgrounds moving in.
Thoughts from a white bloke in a Sussex village (proving the stereotype
).I don't know enough about the other countries but my suspicion is that the media in the UK has a huge influence on how bitter and resentful people are and therefore don't feel particularly charitable when it comes to anything 'community'. My experience of people offering to 'help' seems to result in angry people who think vigilantism is the way to improve their neighbourhood 
I’d argue it’s the ever growing wealth gap rather than multiculturalism that’s harming cohesion. The real question is whether we are past the point of no return, as claimed by one of the posters above.
As far as I can see we’ve slowly been getting closer to an American style of Capitalist society over the past 40 years, whereas the rest of Western Europe is still more socialist in its approach.
As far as I can see we’ve slowly been getting closer to an American style of Capitalist society over the past 40 years, whereas the rest of Western Europe is still more socialist in its approach.
survivalist said:
I’d argue it’s the ever growing wealth gap rather than multiculturalism that’s harming cohesion. The real question is whether we are past the point of no return, as claimed by one of the posters above.
As far as I can see we’ve slowly been getting closer to an American style of Capitalist society over the past 40 years, whereas the rest of Western Europe is still more socialist in its approach.
An interesting opinion, thank you.As far as I can see we’ve slowly been getting closer to an American style of Capitalist society over the past 40 years, whereas the rest of Western Europe is still more socialist in its approach.
Maybe the Chinese have a point? Up until recently, only a few folk were truly wealthy in the UK yet, I would suggest, there was more social cohesion than in present-day Britain. Why is that?
survivalist said:
I’d argue it’s the ever growing wealth gap rather than multiculturalism that’s harming cohesion. The real question is whether we are past the point of no return, as claimed by one of the posters above.
As far as I can see we’ve slowly been getting closer to an American style of Capitalist society over the past 40 years, whereas the rest of Western Europe is still more socialist in its approach.
Came here to say the same thing. The govt is currently content to use the politics of the other to avoid the fact they have preceded over the decline of living standards for the vast majority of people in Britain.As far as I can see we’ve slowly been getting closer to an American style of Capitalist society over the past 40 years, whereas the rest of Western Europe is still more socialist in its approach.
survivalist said:
I’d argue it’s the ever growing wealth gap rather than multiculturalism that’s harming cohesion.
Isn't it people living in UK and born outside UK who own so much of the wealth? It's not by accident west London has a large population of very wealthy people who originated from overseas and they may or may not be paying tax in UK.After all, the government has loaded Stamp Duty onto residential property precisely to squeeze some cash out of such people, unfortunately creating a hefty "living in the south of England" tax along the way.
Panamax said:
Isn't it people living in UK and born outside UK who own so much of the wealth? It's not by accident west London has a large population of very wealthy people who originated from overseas and they may or may not be paying tax in UK.
After all, the government has loaded Stamp Duty onto residential property precisely to squeeze some cash out of such people, unfortunately creating a hefty "living in the south of England" tax along the way.
Maybe we should disregard London and the SE as an outlier, same as Shanghai?After all, the government has loaded Stamp Duty onto residential property precisely to squeeze some cash out of such people, unfortunately creating a hefty "living in the south of England" tax along the way.
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