864 postal votes uncounted found

[cirian75]

864 postal votes uncounted found

Claims "genuine mistake"

Result with out these votes:

Tories 545

Labour 360

I don't buy "genuine mistake" for a single second.

UK Election laws does not allow recount once declared


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-65570...

[bitchstewie]

Is it just me or is it odd that the article doesn't seem to say what the result would have been had they been counted?

Haven't they been counted even if they don't count?

[cirian75]

bhstewie said:

Is it just me or is it odd that the article doesn't seem to say what the result would have been had they been counted?

Haven't they been counted even if they don't count?

Result has already be declared, they won't be counted.

My opinion, they came from a Labour supporting area.

[Supercilious Sid]

Glad to see polling integrity has suddenly been deemed important after all the whinging on the Photo ID thread.
Better late than never boys!

[andy43]

bbc said:

Two Conservatives were elected in the ward following the election on 4 May, with around 525 votes each.
Labour came second with their two candidates gaining 367 and 355 votes.
Following the election, the Conservatives held North Lincolnshire Council, securing 27 seats, while Labour won the remaining 16.

Looks like it probably wouldn’t have made a difference but 864 is a big chunk of the votes.

[bitchstewie]

Not sure anything discussed on that thread could prevents your vote being left in a sack and forgotten about.

My votes went in ballot boxes and even after photo ID to cast them I imagine human error could mean the boxes got overlooked or something weird could happen.

In this case the result could be an even bigger vote for the Conservatives who knows.

I'm just surprised they don't appear to count the votes even if the result can't be challenged once it's been declared.

[DeejRC]

You genuinely think corruption over mistake/incompetence?

You don’t work in/with organisational logistics much do you?

[andy43]

DeejRC said:

You genuinely think corruption over mistake/incompetence?

You don’t work in/with organisational logistics much do you?

They don’t use Evri for the postal votes do they?

[eharding]

andy43 said:

bbc said:

Two Conservatives were elected in the ward following the election on 4 May, with around 525 votes each.
Labour came second with their two candidates gaining 367 and 355 votes.
Following the election, the Conservatives held North Lincolnshire Council, securing 27 seats, while Labour won the remaining 16.

Looks like it probably wouldn’t have made a difference but 864 is a big chunk of the votes.

Had they been counted, the turnout for the ward would have risen from 30.4% to 44.3% (interesting that the overall turnout for the North Lincolnshire was 28.2%, so the missing votes would have made this ward far above the average for turnout).

[anonymous-user]

cirian75 said:

My opinion, they came from a Labour supporting area.

Definitely. It wouldn't be the first area to swing conservative from Labour in these elections.

[DeejRC]

andy43 said:

DeejRC said:

You genuinely think corruption over mistake/incompetence?

You don’t work in/with organisational logistics much do you?

They don’t use Evri for the postal votes do they?

Wouldn’t they have been found chucked over the fence next door?

[Randy Winkman]

Supercilious Sid said:

Glad to see polling integrity has suddenly been deemed important after all the whinging on the Photo ID thread.
Better late than never boys!

Wasn't the issue for some that postal voting should have been looked at first as the evidence already suggested there might be a problem with that?

[oyster]

Supercilious Sid said:

Glad to see polling integrity has suddenly been deemed important after all the whinging on the Photo ID thread.
Better late than never boys!

I think it reinforces many views from that thread, that the wrong area for tightening up was targeted.
And not for electoral reasons.

[cirian75]

oyster said:

Supercilious Sid said:

Glad to see polling integrity has suddenly been deemed important after all the whinging on the Photo ID thread.
Better late than never boys!

I think it reinforces many views from that thread, that the wrong area for tightening up was targeted.
And not for electoral reasons.

Yup, remember back in 2019 Laura Kuenssberg talking about postal votes not looking good for Labour a week before they could even be legally counted

https://www.google.com/search?q=Laura+Kuenssberg+p...

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

Wasn't the issue for some that postal voting should have been looked at first as the evidence already suggested there might be a problem with that?

How are people going to vote for the Tories when they move to Spain if they stop postal votes?

[Murph7355]

Killboy said:

cirian75 said:

My opinion, they came from a Labour supporting area.

Definitely. It wouldn't be the first area to swing conservative from Labour in these elections.

Without them having been counted, how can you possibly know?

Tin foil hattage.

[sospan]

How are ballot boxes accounted for?
Pre election........ward, box number ID on the box and a register recording it.
Post election.......tick the register for returned boxes.
Transport of boxes to and from the voting station by secure method.
It’s 2023 so surely not a big problem. Unless, of course, we are stuck with out of date systems.
“But we’ve always done it that way” attitude?

[bitchstewie]

sospan said:

How are ballot boxes accounted for?
Pre election........ward, box number ID on the box and a register recording it.
Post election.......tick the register for returned boxes.
Transport of boxes to and from the voting station by secure method.
It’s 2023 so surely not a big problem. Unless, of course, we are stuck with out of date systems.
“But we’ve always done it that way” attitude?

More the "but it's only 800 votes" attitude and some terribly British sense of "don't cause a fuss" probably.

Easier to dismiss it as a mistake that's so infrequent we couldn't possibly risk the disruption it would case than it is to potentially say "we recounted and here's the actual result".

[230TE]

cirian75 said:

My opinion, they came from a Labour supporting area.

And you'd be wrong. Ward in question has returned two Conservative councillors at every election since it was created in 2003. Sorry to widdle on your conspiracy fireworks, but it really isn't hard to look these things up.

[rscott]

230TE said:

cirian75 said:

My opinion, they came from a Labour supporting area.

And you'd be wrong. Ward in question has returned two Conservative councillors at every election since it was created in 2003. Sorry to widdle on your conspiracy fireworks, but it really isn't hard to look these things up.

The neighbouring district to us has had 3 Conservative councillors for about 20 years... Until last week. Now it has 1 and 2 Lib Dems.