Police officer punching man in face

Police officer punching man in face

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robscot

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2,506 posts

196 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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The video is grim to see in the UK in 2023 - it is like something from America: https://north.wales/news/police-investigating-afte...

The pics of the aftermath look horrible as below. Looks like it has been reported to the IOPC.


markbigears

2,323 posts

275 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Until we know the facts, it’s hard to comment

Glosphil

4,469 posts

240 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Punched a restrained man in the face 9 times! That's going to need some explaining

Al Gorithum

4,103 posts

214 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Regardless of context there's absolutely no need for that (or for what looks like trying to break his spine).

Grumps.

8,998 posts

42 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Glosphil said:
Punched a restrained man in the face 9 times! That's going to need some explaining
Quite.

Should always be an even amount.

BikeBikeBIke

9,647 posts

121 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Glosphil said:
Punched a restrained man in the face 9 times! That's going to need some explaining
He doesnt look restrained to me,it looks like Rozzer has temporarily got the upper hand.

The other officer appears not to be helping much.

James6112

5,230 posts

34 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Career ending, at the least.

Mandat

3,971 posts

244 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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I remember a similar thread a long while back.

The explanation at the time was that when trying to restrain a non-complaint person, punches of this nature was part of training.

The logic being that when someone is resisting, several punches might disorient them sufficiently to get the cuffs on.

I don't know to what extent that was true, or whether it still forms part of any police training.

Caddyshack

11,452 posts

212 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Quite a few members of the public need a punch in the face. I doubt this was a case of "let me pop these cuffs on’ and ‘yes of course officer - I have been a naughty boy, haven’t I"

Ian Geary

4,701 posts

198 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Meh. Having watched the (very short) video, my pitchfork will remain in the cupboard.


The guy is clearly resisting as much as he can, as the male officer is struggling. The female officer seems lost.

I have never tried to get a resisting person into handcuffs (or indeed anyone who isn't resisting).

I would use the sergeant Wilson approach: "I say, would you mind putting on these handcuffs"

And when that doesn't work? Tickle them into submission? Bore them with anecdotes about BMW's chocolate oil gaskets?

Or just let suspects just wander off? We don't know the crime alleged either.

I recall reading that in young offenders centres, an authorised distraction technique to deal with kids offering violence is to simply bend their thumb backwards until it breaks. Apparently the pain is quite distracting.

So I can well imagine a range of options are open to the police. I assume he wasn't able to use his baton, and didn't have a tazer.


Ps I was going to post this https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/11/me...

Sacked for gross misconduct after two years. No prosecutions though. And they both lied about it in their statements (despite wearing cameras- idiots).

Very diffident situation.


anonymous-user

60 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Ian Geary said:
The guy is clearly resisting as much as he can, as the male officer is struggling. The female officer seems lost.
Agreed, this guy is clearly resisting arrest, what choice did he have? I know a Policeman who often has a female officer as backup and in this situation they are basically useless and it is up to the officer to protect himself.

Part of the reason he is looking to leave the UK police and become a police officer in Australia.

bitchstewie

54,551 posts

216 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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I've only seen the video on the BBC website but what's the alternative supposed to be for an officer in that situation?

Harsh language?

Dibble

12,991 posts

246 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Solely based on the short clip on the OP’s link, it’s impossible to say whether that use of force was justified or not.

I can think of a number of reasons why it may have been justified. Equally, I can think of as many why it would not be. It is utterly impossible to determine from that clip alone.

Once my leg is better, I’ll happily meet up with any PHer who’d like to try and handcuff me while I’m being no more than uncooperative. I’ll provide the cuffs and the key. I think it would be educational and informative just how difficult it can be to try and control a non compliant subject. Not someone who’s actively or aggressively resisting (or anything further up the use of force continuum), just non compliant.

None of which is meant to either excuse or condemn the officer above. At the risk of repeating myself, it’s impossible to determine whether the level of force use was or wasn’t justified, based on that clip alone.

Bigends

5,639 posts

134 months

SmoothCriminal

5,271 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Female officer as backup.

Thrown to the wolves before he has even set foot out of the station.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

129 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Many years ago I watched multiple officers trying to arrest a bloke who was fighting like fury

At about 10.15 am on a Tuesday! I mean wtf is going on that he wouldn’t comply and it was hardly 1am on a sat night and drink to blame etc.

Another police van turned up and the biggest bloke you’ve ever seen got out. He beat the f out of him.

Bloke chucked in van. Job done.

I just happened to be in a slightly odd place to observe it all. Was I going to end many officers careers ? I mean I’m an upstanding gentleman and my statement would hold weight.

No. Because I’m not some bouncing smack head fighting on a Tuesday morning and isn’t doing as I’m told.

I’d like to see the police deal far more violence out to the scum of society. You’d be far less big and clever of you need a baseball bat was going to belt you in the chops.

rambo19

2,803 posts

143 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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markbigears said:
Until we know the facts, it’s hard to comment
Is the right answer.

Douglas Quaid

2,402 posts

91 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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It’s pretty crap that the video has been cut to only show that 13 second clip. The only reason for that must be that the person who shared it knew it would change the opinion he wanted people to have if he shared the entire confrontation.

The arrestee could’ve had a knife, a gun, a sword, just punched an old lady, you have no idea with just that short clip.

It does look like the woman behind is just patting his thigh or something while the man is left to deal with the situation.

untakenname

5,025 posts

198 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Once again incidents like this show the need for the UK police need to get the full bodycam footage out within hours of incidents like this that go viral Ike they do in the USA

SlimJim16v

6,019 posts

149 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Ian Geary said:
Ps I was going to post this https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/11/me...

Sacked for gross misconduct after two years. No prosecutions though. And they both lied about it in their statements (despite wearing cameras- idiots).

Very diffident situation.
Yes, idiots. However as far as I'm concerned, spitting in someone's face deserves a kicking.