Extreme Body Modification - "nullos" - WTAF
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Reading this story, it has to be one of the most bizarre things I've ever read...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65323...
Not just the whole concept of a "eunuch maker" subscription website, but the circumstances of this in particular. Marius Gustavson is alleged to be the ringleader of the group, yet it was other people who removed his penis and part of his nipple. And another supposedly froze Gustavson's leg resulting in amputation
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65323...
Not just the whole concept of a "eunuch maker" subscription website, but the circumstances of this in particular. Marius Gustavson is alleged to be the ringleader of the group, yet it was other people who removed his penis and part of his nipple. And another supposedly froze Gustavson's leg resulting in amputation
Reminds me of "Operation Spanner" which set case law on it the 80s, albeit the activities were extremely mild in comparison (none ever sought medical treatment for the activities). They relied on bare-knuckle boxing case law was that it's not possible to consent to assault:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
Zetec-S said:
Reading this story, it has to be one of the most bizarre things I've ever read...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65323...
Not just the whole concept of a "eunuch maker" subscription website, but the circumstances of this in particular. Marius Gustavson is alleged to be the ringleader of the group, yet it was other people who removed his penis and part of his nipple. And another supposedly froze Gustavson's leg resulting in amputation
You know it's bad when they only mention the charge of making and distributing indecent image(s) of children at the end.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65323...
Not just the whole concept of a "eunuch maker" subscription website, but the circumstances of this in particular. Marius Gustavson is alleged to be the ringleader of the group, yet it was other people who removed his penis and part of his nipple. And another supposedly froze Gustavson's leg resulting in amputation
That's enough internet for the day.
Gareth79 said:
Reminds me of "Operation Spanner" which set case law on it the 80s, albeit the activities were extremely mild in comparison (none ever sought medical treatment for the activities). They relied on bare-knuckle boxing case law was that it's not possible to consent to assault:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
A mate of mine was involved in the expert witness stuff for Operation Spanner. He was a pretty promiscuous and liberal minded gay man. Loved clubbing, back rooms, chemsex etc. How he dodged HIV I don't know.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
But he was traumatised by having to watch the tapes. God knows what it was like for the less 'educated'
Do see the more extreme 'kinks' remarkably commonplace now. It amazes me more so when I see what 20 year olds are up to.
I do find it quite bizarre as it's taken me 20 adult years to get even mildly perverted. When I was age 20 I was w
king into a sock eyeballing a Pammy Baywatch poster. I can't understand how young folk even get into this stuff.
I do find it quite bizarre as it's taken me 20 adult years to get even mildly perverted. When I was age 20 I was w
king into a sock eyeballing a Pammy Baywatch poster. I can't understand how young folk even get into this stuff.Legacywr said:
Although described as ‘victims’, as I understand they are will participants?
I remember a news article a few years ago about people going abroad to get limbs amputated… just for the kicks.
Either both of the above should be legal (if performed by a doctor, ethically, not some random Norweigan*) or trans surgery should be illegal. I cannot see how logically one is different to the others.I remember a news article a few years ago about people going abroad to get limbs amputated… just for the kicks.
FWIW my own view is they should all be legal, but the other viewpoint is totally understandable.
Allowing just one of them because trans is trendy is nuts.
It's your body. If you want rid of a bit of it for whatever reason, have at it.
*I assume that this is a large part of the problem - amateurs performing surgery. But then we get to a thing of presumably they couldn't find a doctor so had to do it to each other - so why does medical ethics allow trans surgery but not this? Why is one type of dysphoria "better" than others? They seem to be intractable illnesses whose best solution is molding the body to fix the brain.
Somewhatfoolish said:
Legacywr said:
Although described as ‘victims’, as I understand they are will participants?
I remember a news article a few years ago about people going abroad to get limbs amputated… just for the kicks.
Either both of the above should be legal (if performed by a doctor, ethically, not some random Norweigan*) or trans surgery should be illegal. I cannot see how logically one is different to the others.I remember a news article a few years ago about people going abroad to get limbs amputated… just for the kicks.
FWIW my own view is they should all be legal, but the other viewpoint is totally understandable.
Allowing just one of them because trans is trendy is nuts.
It's your body. If you want rid of a bit of it for whatever reason, have at it.
*I assume that this is a large part of the problem - amateurs performing surgery. But then we get to a thing of presumably they couldn't find a doctor so had to do it to each other - so why does medical ethics allow trans surgery but not this? Why is one type of dysphoria "better" than others? They seem to be intractable illnesses whose best solution is molding the body to fix the brain.
Gareth79 said:
Reminds me of "Operation Spanner" which set case law on it the 80s, albeit the activities were extremely mild in comparison (none ever sought medical treatment for the activities). They relied on bare-knuckle boxing case law was that it's not possible to consent to assault:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
Meanwhile you can have your ears pierced or cosmetic surgery.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
This is pretty extreme but cosmetic body part removal is probably more common than you'd think.
The first time I heard about it was about 25 years ago in the Body Modification Ezine, a guy got his nipples removed and set in resin so he could wear them in his stretched ears.
It's a weird one, everyone's consenting and aware but you can't have people going round performing surgeries on each other for jollies.
The first time I heard about it was about 25 years ago in the Body Modification Ezine, a guy got his nipples removed and set in resin so he could wear them in his stretched ears.
It's a weird one, everyone's consenting and aware but you can't have people going round performing surgeries on each other for jollies.
It’s an interesting case.
Ignoring the unpleasant details & looking at the principle;
I’m very much right wing-libertarian minded in that what you do with your own body is no-one else’s business, least of all the Governments, providing you don’t harm anyone else or cause inconvenience injustice or injury to a 3rd party.
A good example of this is recreational drug use.
If you want to grow & smoke cannabis great.
My issue with drugs is more the violence and unpleasant hinterland that plague the supply chain of cocaine.
Similarly if someone wants their partner to bind, beat, pierce & abuse them for pursuit of a sexual thrill providing they don’t end up presenting themselves at A&E and they aren’t doing it in the park I have no issue with it.
In this case the protagonists are very likely to end up requiring the assistance of medical professionals in the short term or long term (I would imagine the ‘buyers remorse’ with having your genitalia removed would be quite the mental health issue). Do I don’t approve on that basis.
As regards the the indecent images of children recovered I do sometimes wonder if there was just a non sexual picture of a child, maybe a family photo, but the Police throw it into the mix to add weight to the offence.
The distortion of truth by association:
https://youtu.be/6iAecAtJVdE
Ignoring the unpleasant details & looking at the principle;
I’m very much right wing-libertarian minded in that what you do with your own body is no-one else’s business, least of all the Governments, providing you don’t harm anyone else or cause inconvenience injustice or injury to a 3rd party.
A good example of this is recreational drug use.
If you want to grow & smoke cannabis great.
My issue with drugs is more the violence and unpleasant hinterland that plague the supply chain of cocaine.
Similarly if someone wants their partner to bind, beat, pierce & abuse them for pursuit of a sexual thrill providing they don’t end up presenting themselves at A&E and they aren’t doing it in the park I have no issue with it.
In this case the protagonists are very likely to end up requiring the assistance of medical professionals in the short term or long term (I would imagine the ‘buyers remorse’ with having your genitalia removed would be quite the mental health issue). Do I don’t approve on that basis.
As regards the the indecent images of children recovered I do sometimes wonder if there was just a non sexual picture of a child, maybe a family photo, but the Police throw it into the mix to add weight to the offence.
The distortion of truth by association:
https://youtu.be/6iAecAtJVdE
Stick Legs said:
It’s an interesting case.
Ignoring the unpleasant details & looking at the principle;
I’m very much right wing-libertarian minded in that what you do with your own body is no-one else’s business, least of all the Governments, providing you don’t harm anyone else or cause inconvenience injustice or injury to a 3rd party.
A good example of this is recreational drug use.
If you want to grow & smoke cannabis great.
My issue with drugs is more the violence and unpleasant hinterland that plague the supply chain of cocaine.
Similarly if someone wants their partner to bind, beat, pierce & abuse them for pursuit of a sexual thrill providing they don’t end up presenting themselves at A&E and they aren’t doing it in the park I have no issue with it.
In this case the protagonists are very likely to end up requiring the assistance of medical professionals in the short term or long term (I would imagine the ‘buyers remorse’ with having your genitalia removed would be quite the mental health issue). Do I don’t approve on that basis.
As regards the the indecent images of children recovered I do sometimes wonder if there was just a non sexual picture of a child, maybe a family photo, but the Police throw it into the mix to add weight to the offence.
The distortion of truth by association:
https://youtu.be/6iAecAtJVdE
If it's caused by genuine dysphoria then they are unlikely to regret it. Ignoring the unpleasant details & looking at the principle;
I’m very much right wing-libertarian minded in that what you do with your own body is no-one else’s business, least of all the Governments, providing you don’t harm anyone else or cause inconvenience injustice or injury to a 3rd party.
A good example of this is recreational drug use.
If you want to grow & smoke cannabis great.
My issue with drugs is more the violence and unpleasant hinterland that plague the supply chain of cocaine.
Similarly if someone wants their partner to bind, beat, pierce & abuse them for pursuit of a sexual thrill providing they don’t end up presenting themselves at A&E and they aren’t doing it in the park I have no issue with it.
In this case the protagonists are very likely to end up requiring the assistance of medical professionals in the short term or long term (I would imagine the ‘buyers remorse’ with having your genitalia removed would be quite the mental health issue). Do I don’t approve on that basis.
As regards the the indecent images of children recovered I do sometimes wonder if there was just a non sexual picture of a child, maybe a family photo, but the Police throw it into the mix to add weight to the offence.
The distortion of truth by association:
https://youtu.be/6iAecAtJVdE
Found an interesting article arguing doctors should be permitted to do this: https://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosoph...
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