Time to bring back the death penalty...

Time to bring back the death penalty...

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SmoothCriminal

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5,271 posts

205 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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There are some crimes so truly heinous that it's seriously time to talk about bringing back the death penalty.

What benefit is it to society of keeping these two sick s alive in prison, how can sick individuals like this with no morals or feelings be rehabilitated even in 20 years.


BBC NEWS said:
The parents of a 10-month-old boy have been found guilty of murdering him - 39 days after he was placed back into their care.

Stephen Boden and partner Shannon Marsden killed Finley Boden on Christmas Day in 2020.

Finley was found to have suffered 130 "appalling" injuries.

The couple were responsible for what the court heard was the "savage and brutal" murder of their son after burning and beating him in repeated acts of violence.

Finley's injuries included 57 breaks to his bones, 71 bruises and two burns on his left hand - one "from a hot, flat surface", the other probably "from a cigarette lighter flame".

Boden had claimed the family dog may have "jumped on" his son, inflicting broken ribs, while a tear to the inside of Finley's mouth - likely caused by a dummy being rammed in - was blamed on the child hitting himself with a rattle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-65188675

At least the little man is at peace now. RIP





Edited by SmoothCriminal on Friday 14th April 14:56

usn90

1,581 posts

76 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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It would get my vote, as would nominating those two scum to be in line

wiffmaster

2,607 posts

204 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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Having read that, it's hard to disagree. Greatest contribution these two could make to society, would be as fossil fuel.

Iamnotkloot

1,561 posts

153 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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I'm generally not for it but it's hard to argue that these two don't deserve it......

ChevronB19

6,176 posts

169 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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Totally against the death penalty, but totally for full life sentences.

nickfrog

21,771 posts

223 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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I was always massively against the death penalty for a variety of reasons. But since I became a parent I slightly changed my tune.

This is an (hopefully rare) example where it makes sense.

Crumpet

4,028 posts

186 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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All for it. And for crimes of a far less heinous nature as well! I’d take the whole justice system up a notch; not quite to Judge Dredd levels, but not far off.

Dogwatch

6,263 posts

228 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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One of the reasons it was abolished was that juries were reluctant to send someone to the gallows - a decision that would remain with the jury members for the rest of their lives especially when there were well documented cases of mistakes/flawed/skewed evidence leading to a conviction.
The result of this reluctance was that scumbags who were clearly guilty were being found Not Guilty and walking out of the Court as free men.
I agree with many of the above comments but practical implementation is never going to happen.

chrispmartha

16,520 posts

135 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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I agree, I mean just look at the places in America where its still legal, no serious crime there...

Oh, hang on.

This case is utterly vile, disgusting, in fact there's no words to describe how horrific it is. Lock them up and make their lives hell, killing them gives them an easy way out.

Gecko1978

10,334 posts

163 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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I am on the whole against it though to an extent we still have it in that armed police to shoot and kill people in rare cases.

For these two I would suggest sentences of 40 plus years or a whole life term.


272BHP

5,638 posts

242 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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I am against it as it would give these two an easy way out.

I would prefer for them to suffer and live in fear of reprisal for the rest of their days and I don't mind the money coming out of the public purse for that to happen.

KobayashiMaru86

1,299 posts

216 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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Turn them into organ donors or put in comas and fed intravenously so we can still take blood for other uses. Use them as batteries like the Matrix did.

Biker 1

7,859 posts

125 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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What must be wrong with these 'people' to do this to another being? How do we root it out??
Death penalty probably won't stop it happening, & as pointed out above, how would you live with this if you were called up for jury service?
I suppose the only 'positive' to come out of this is the poor soul has been put out of his misery.....

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

52 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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I think for crimes that are unequivocal like a Nielsen, Sutcliffe, Venables or the like death is fine.

But so many times people have been found not guilty after years. But for crimes here people show no remorse, Breivik etc, public hanging is the only way to deter people as arses like him use their notoriety for their ow gain.

there are so many I would potentially hang the policeman who killed that lass a few years back, there are so many you just think ought to be popped, but it is never coming back.

7mike

3,075 posts

199 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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What would happen if scum like this manage to get on a ferry to France before capture? My understanding is EU countries (like us) won't extradite crims if they face the death penalty.

SmoothCriminal

Original Poster:

5,271 posts

205 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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I'm not saying using it as a deterrent as scum like this are a lost cause so what is the point of keeping them alive for decades

Don't leave it up to the jury, maybe in cases like this part of the sentencing guidelines could be crimes that outrage public decency or are so morally abhorrent like this that after the guilty verdict could be left to the judge to decide or it could be sent to the Home Secretary for them to decide on the death penalty.

Gecko1978

10,334 posts

163 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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They would be returned on the understanding they would not face death penalty we do same whe. Extraditein to the US.

chrispmartha

16,520 posts

135 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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SmoothCriminal said:
it could be sent to the Home Secretary for them to decide on the death penalty.
I wouldn't trust our current HS at all to make the correct decision.

crofty1984

16,186 posts

210 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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Dogwatch said:
One of the reasons it was abolished was that juries were reluctant to send someone to the gallows - a decision that would remain with the jury members for the rest of their lives especially when there were well documented cases of mistakes/flawed/skewed evidence leading to a conviction.
The result of this reluctance was that scumbags who were clearly guilty were being found Not Guilty and walking out of the Court as free men.
I agree with many of the above comments but practical implementation is never going to happen.
That's very interesting, never considered that.

GetCarter

29,575 posts

285 months

Friday 14th April 2023
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190 people have been executed in the USA for crimes they have later been found they could never have committed.

Still want the death penalty here?

How about if it was you, or one of your family that was wrongly accused. Happy for them to be killed?