friends & family gravy train - TFL

[Bo_apex]

quite staggering really. This guy is a liability


“Over 50,000 people in London get free travel every day just because they know someone at TfL, with lost revenue in the hundreds of millions. Sadiq Khan should stop making excuses and scrap this ridiculous perk.”


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/free-tra...

[Randy Winkman]

I dont think he started this. And with ULEZ coming, it might help some of those caught by it.

[valiant]

Hmmm, Evening Standard doing their usual I see.

Nominee passes have been part of the ‘package’ a long time before Khan became Mayor and is even part of the contractual benefits. Even Boris as previous Mayor and who is no friend of TfL workers said that it hardly costs anything extra as no additional services are put on to accommodate any extra nominee users. Most nominee use is actually quite low.

And it’s not just because you happen to have a mate in TfL who can get you one. It was originally a spousal pass but now it can be someone who MUST reside at the same address as the employee and misuse is very, very much a disciplinary offence.

Tory members of the London Assembly have always harped on about this but always forget that they themselves get the pass and if it’s such a drain, then why wasn’t it removed when they had a Tory mayor in charge?

Like driverless trains that they trot out time and again, this is just another of their bi-annual outrage targets that gets a bit of air every now and again.

[Rivenink]

I can see it being an easy thing to remove too.

I'm quite certain that LU workers won't go on strike about it; they're always so shy about strike action.

[KAgantua]

Inst LU/ TFL just one big gravy train anyway?

[Bo_apex]

valiant said:

Hmmm, Evening Standard doing their usual I see.

Nominee passes have been part of the ‘package’ a long time before Khan became Mayor and is even part of the contractual benefits. Even Boris as previous Mayor and who is no friend of TfL workers said that it hardly costs anything extra as no additional services are put on to accommodate any extra nominee users. Most nominee use is actually quite low.

And it’s not just because you happen to have a mate in TfL who can get you one. It was originally a spousal pass but now it can be someone who MUST reside at the same address as the employee and misuse is very, very much a disciplinary offence.

Tory members of the London Assembly have always harped on about this but always forget that they themselves get the pass and if it’s such a drain, then why wasn’t it removed when they had a Tory mayor in charge?

Like driverless trains that they trot out time and again, this is just another of their bi-annual outrage targets that gets a bit of air every now and again.

Surely the real cost is the toal loss in revenues ?

Regardless of who started this package I'm suprised it still continues, as it's open to abuse.

[Condi]

Bo_apex said:

quite staggering really. This guy is a liability

“Over 50,000 people in London get free travel every day just because they know someone at TfL, with lost revenue in the hundreds of millions. Sadiq Khan should stop making excuses and scrap this ridiculous perk.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/free-tra...

And when Boris was in charge, did he do much to remove the perk?

[Bo_apex]

Condi said:

Bo_apex said:

quite staggering really. This guy is a liability

“Over 50,000 people in London get free travel every day just because they know someone at TfL, with lost revenue in the hundreds of millions. Sadiq Khan should stop making excuses and scrap this ridiculous perk.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/free-tra...

And when Boris was in charge, did he do much to remove the perk?

agree both Boris and Khan are as bad as each other

[Condi]

Bo_apex said:

agree both Boris and Khan are as bad as each other

At least we can both agree Boris is a liability.

[deckster]

Bo_apex said:

Surely the real cost is the toal loss in revenues ?

Regardless of who started this package I'm suprised it still continues, as it's open to abuse.

Before Covid, there were approx. 4 billion passenger journeys per year across TfL modes of transport.

There are about 28,000 TfL employees.

Can you spell "drop in the ocean"?

[valiant]

Bo_apex said:

Condi said:

Bo_apex said:

quite staggering really. This guy is a liability

“Over 50,000 people in London get free travel every day just because they know someone at TfL, with lost revenue in the hundreds of millions. Sadiq Khan should stop making excuses and scrap this ridiculous perk.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/free-tra...

And when Boris was in charge, did he do much to remove the perk?

agree both Boris and Khan are as bad as each other

And what about when it was in during Livingston or when it was before London had a directly elected mayor and the government of the day called the shots?

Face it, it’s just a cheap dig at the current mayor (who has his faults, no doubt, but this is not really on him)

[Condi]

valiant said:

And what about when it was in during Livingston or when it was before London had a directly elected mayor and the government of the day called the shots?

Face it, it’s just a cheap dig at the current mayor (who has his faults, no doubt, but this is not really on him)

It also ignores the fact that rail staff of all companies get free or discounted travel, as I guess most bus employees do too.

[deckster]

Condi said:

valiant said:

And what about when it was in during Livingston or when it was before London had a directly elected mayor and the government of the day called the shots?

Face it, it’s just a cheap dig at the current mayor (who has his faults, no doubt, but this is not really on him)

It also ignores the fact that rail staff of all companies get free or discounted travel, as I guess most bus employees do too.

Best not tell him about the travel perks of BA employees & families, I think he'd explode.

[bennno]

deckster said:

Bo_apex said:

Surely the real cost is the toal loss in revenues ?

Regardless of who started this package I'm suprised it still continues, as it's open to abuse.

Before Covid, there were approx. 4 billion passenger journeys per year across TfL modes of transport.

There are about 28,000 TfL employees.

Can you spell "drop in the ocean"?

So 28k employees, a further 54k friends and family = 82k people with free transport, lets say they all use it 12 trips a week = £1.4bn lost revenue

They are run at a loss of circa £5bn per annum - so i guess the free travel only represents 28% of their annual loss.

[Randy Winkman]

bennno said:

deckster said:

Bo_apex said:

Surely the real cost is the toal loss in revenues ?

Regardless of who started this package I'm suprised it still continues, as it's open to abuse.

Before Covid, there were approx. 4 billion passenger journeys per year across TfL modes of transport.

There are about 28,000 TfL employees.

Can you spell "drop in the ocean"?

So 28k employees, a further 54k friends and family = 82k people with free transport, lets say they all use it 12 trips a week = £1.4bn lost revenue

They are run at a loss of circa £5bn per annum - so i guess the free travel only represents 28% of their annual loss.

"Perks" aren't necessarily a loss though. Presumably they are part of the package for any employee/employer because they work both ways?

[valiant]

bennno said:

So 28k employees, a further 54k friends and family = 82k people with free transport, lets say they all use it 12 trips a week = £1.4bn lost revenue

They are run at a loss of circa £5bn per annum - so i guess the free travel only represents 28% of their annual loss.

Some creative maths going on there…

[bennno]

Randy Winkman said:

bennno said:

deckster said:

Bo_apex said:

Surely the real cost is the toal loss in revenues ?

Regardless of who started this package I'm suprised it still continues, as it's open to abuse.

Before Covid, there were approx. 4 billion passenger journeys per year across TfL modes of transport.

There are about 28,000 TfL employees.

Can you spell "drop in the ocean"?

So 28k employees, a further 54k friends and family = 82k people with free transport, lets say they all use it 12 trips a week = £1.4bn lost revenue

They are run at a loss of circa £5bn per annum - so i guess the free travel only represents 28% of their annual loss.

"Perks" aren't necessarily a loss though. Presumably they are part of the package for any employee/employer because they work both ways?

However perks are normally taxable, normally restricted to employee only, normally arent available when they increase an already huge loss.

[nickfrog]

valiant said:

bennno said:

So 28k employees, a further 54k friends and family = 82k people with free transport, lets say they all use it 12 trips a week = £1.4bn lost revenue

They are run at a loss of circa £5bn per annum - so i guess the free travel only represents 28% of their annual loss.

Some creative maths going on there…

Yes that makes the average journey £28, is that likely ? Even if the other assumptions are?

[anonymous-user]

nickfrog said:

valiant said:

bennno said:

So 28k employees, a further 54k friends and family = 82k people with free transport, lets say they all use it 12 trips a week = £1.4bn lost revenue

They are run at a loss of circa £5bn per annum - so i guess the free travel only represents 28% of their annual loss.

Some creative maths going on there…

Yes that makes the average journey £28, is that likely ? Even if the other assumptions are?

May as well have assumed 500 journeys a week. You can pluck numbers from anywhere to make a Khan rant it seems.

Also ignores the fact that 'free' trips may not have been 'paid' trips if it wasn't for the perk.

[bitchstewie]

I'm confused here.

Is the complaint that Khan introduced the scheme or that he extended the scheme or that he hasn't ended the scheme?