Dutch farmer protests

[J210]

Doesn’t appear to be much coverage of this. But the Dutch farmers who make up one of the worlds biggest producers of food are/have been protesting against the government.

They are driving/marching to the Hague

The government are trying to shut down 3000 farms by 2030 for Net zero. under the bases they are the biggest polluters l


The Dutch government have been trying to stop the protests by limiting numbers and changing rules to not allow the protesters to set up.

It’s rumoured they have also borrowed water cannons from the German police. As well as have the mayor of The Hague stating he will have military equipment on standby.

Wonder what the coverage will be. As only things Iv seen about it are on twitter.

Edited by J210 on Saturday 11th March 10:04

[Gargamel]

J210 said:

Doesn’t appear to be much coverage of this. But the Dutch farmers who make up one of the worlds biggest producers of food are/have been protesting against the government.

They are driving/marching to the Hague

The government are trying to shut down 3000 farms by 2030 for Net zero. under the bases they are the biggest polluters l


The Dutch government have been trying to stop the protests by limiting numbers and changing rules to not allow the protesters to set up.

It’s rumoured they have also borrowed water cannons from the German police. As well as have the mayor of The Hague stating he will have military equipment on standby.

Wonder what the coverage will be. As only things Iv seen about it are on twitter.

Edited by J210 on Saturday 11th March 10:04

I live a few minutes from Dam Square in AMS and have previously seen smaller demos. In a recent poll here the Farmers political party are growing in numbers/voters.

Heading for a showdown.. Compulsory purchases of generations old farms held by traditional Dutch farmers is NOT a vote winner.

Agree - terrible coverage in the news. There was HUGE protest in Brussels. Hardly any news about it

[Gargamel]

[neilr]

Gargamel said:

I live a few minutes from Dam Square in AMS and have previously seen smaller demos. In a recent poll here the Farmers political party are growing in numbers/voters.

Heading for a showdown.. Compulsory purchases of generations old farms held by traditional Dutch farmers is NOT a vote winner.

Agree - terrible coverage in the news. There was HUGE protest in Brussels. Hardly any news about it

What happening there with Dutch farmers is terrible. I believe it started with insane laws about nitrogen levels in the soil ?

I have family and friends who live there and I love the Netherlands, but (and i dont really like to use the language of conspiracy nutters, but i will) the government there does have a definite stench of WEF/globalist agenda to it. Now, that might just be my perception from not living there However there is at least one indoor market there (cant remember the name) not far from Kinkerstraat that no business in it will accept cash, its cashless only. Which is crazy.

[ChunkyloverSV]

neilr said:

Gargamel said:

I live a few minutes from Dam Square in AMS and have previously seen smaller demos. In a recent poll here the Farmers political party are growing in numbers/voters.

Heading for a showdown.. Compulsory purchases of generations old farms held by traditional Dutch farmers is NOT a vote winner.

Agree - terrible coverage in the news. There was HUGE protest in Brussels. Hardly any news about it

What happening there with Dutch farmers is terrible. I believe it started with insane laws about nitrogen levels in the soil ?

I have family and friends who live there and I love the Netherlands, but (and i dont really like to use the language of conspiracy nutters, but i will) the government there does have a definite stench of WEF/globalist agenda to it. Now, that might just be my perception from not living there However there is at least one indoor market there (cant remember the name) not far from Kinkerstraat that no business in it will accept cash, its cashless only. Which is crazy.

Pretty sure all western governments have signed up to these nitrogen levels, the Dutch are just the first to start tackling it.

[basherX]

I was in The Hague this week and spoke to a few people about this. XR are protesting at the same time so there’s some anticipation of trouble.

The debate is an interesting one. The Netherlands is a big European food producer and it needs nitrogen to keep producing at the levels it does. There’s a growing view within the country that they should just produce according to their own needs in order to meet their climate targets. But that’ll affect us all in terms of food prices and have a really and effect on their balance of trade.

It’s another area where Western governments are slavishly adhering to climate targets without working through all the consequences.

[J210]

neilr said:

What happening there with Dutch farmers is terrible. I believe it started with insane laws about nitrogen levels in the soil ?

I have family and friends who live there and I love the Netherlands, but (and i dont really like to use the language of conspiracy nutters, but i will) the government there does have a definite stench of WEF/globalist agenda to it. Now, that might just be my perception from not living there However there is at least one indoor market there (cant remember the name) not far from Kinkerstraat that no business in it will accept cash, its cashless only. Which is crazy.

Holland one of the locations for the wefs food hubs. The Dutch prime minster is signed up to it and quite proud of it.

[JagLover]

ChunkyloverSV said:

Pretty sure all western governments have signed up to these nitrogen levels, the Dutch are just the first to start tackling it.

Seems that food produce is going to follow energy then in becoming deliberately more expensive as a result of government policy. No doubt there are many well connected people who stand to benefit.

[Kawasicki]

JagLover said:

ChunkyloverSV said:

Pretty sure all western governments have signed up to these nitrogen levels, the Dutch are just the first to start tackling it.

Seems that food produce is going to follow energy then in becoming deliberately more expensive as a result of government policy. No doubt there are many well connected people who stand to benefit.

Food, energy & goods are too cheap.....for some

[vulture1]

Going after farmers that is just madness. Thought the world was trying to help and grow them. There's alot of produce from Holland that ends up in our shopping baskets.

Seems bill Gates was right buying up farmland in the USA.

[JagLover]

basherX said:

It’s another area where Western governments are slavishly adhering to climate targets without working through all the consequences.

Its been years now. Do you think they don't know the consequences of their own policies?.

[gamefreaks]

Kawasicki said:

JagLover said:

ChunkyloverSV said:

Pretty sure all western governments have signed up to these nitrogen levels, the Dutch are just the first to start tackling it.

Seems that food produce is going to follow energy then in becoming deliberately more expensive as a result of government policy. No doubt there are many well connected people who stand to benefit.

Food, energy & goods are too cheap.....for some

They'd do well to bear in mind that people tend to get angry when they are hungry.

[JagLover]

vulture1 said:

Going after farmers that is just madness. Thought the world was trying to help and grow them. There's alot of produce from Holland that ends up in our shopping baskets.

Seems bill Gates was right buying up farmland in the USA.

So Bill Gates is one of those who is going to benefit . What was that saying about conspiracy theories being spoiler warnings these days.

[basherX]

JagLover said:

basherX said:

It’s another area where Western governments are slavishly adhering to climate targets without working through all the consequences.

Its been years now. Do you think they don't know the consequences of their own policies?.

Frankly, no. I’ve been proxy to various discussions with governments over the years where it quickly becomes apparent that their understanding of the complexities of an area they’re trying to legislate is superficial at best. I don’t think energy transition, which I’ve also been involved in, is any different. There’s a naive view that some sort of industrial miracle is going to occur in the next decade and I just don’t see it.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

neilr said:

What happening there with Dutch farmers is terrible. I believe it started with insane laws about nitrogen levels in the soil ?

I have family and friends who live there and I love the Netherlands, but (and i dont really like to use the language of conspiracy nutters, but i will) the government there does have a definite stench of WEF/globalist agenda to it. Now, that might just be my perception from not living there However there is at least one indoor market there (cant remember the name) not far from Kinkerstraat that no business in it will accept cash, its cashless only. Which is crazy.

It isn't a conspiracy theory. It's official UN policy, promoted by the WEF, and signed up to by most governments. The nutty conspiracy part is that some of them might see an opportunity for wealth and power in controlling the food supply.

[sunbeam alpine]

ChunkyloverSV said:

Pretty sure all western governments have signed up to these nitrogen levels, the Dutch are just the first to start tackling it.

Belgium is also enforcing it quite strictly (as was the UK under Mrs Boris with the tree-planting scheme).

I saw an article on the BBC last week where water companies were claiming that farmers are postly responsible for river pollution despite themselves "legally' pumping tonnes of raw sewage directly into those same rivers.

The problem we farmers have with these plans is that agriculture is not being treated equally with other polluting sectors of industry.

Someone needs to realise (and quickly!) that dismantling agriculture is extremely stupid, and that it's a serious threat to food supply and security.

What western governments seem to be doing is exporting their problem to other countries (and entrusting food production to those countries). Some EU countries produce considerably more food than their domestic needs, but this supports a whole series of industries - food processing, deep freeze, which all contibute to the economy as a whole.

My grandad used to tell how just after WWII people used to come to the farm actually begging for the chance to buy food. Theft of live farm animals (mostly sheep) is already seriously on the rise.

If we continue to dismantle agriculture, I fear for the future.

[Tango13]

J210 said:

Doesn’t appear to be much coverage of this. But the Dutch farmers who make up one of the worlds biggest producers of food are/have been protesting against the government.

They are driving/marching to the Hague

The government are trying to shut down 3000 farms by 2030 for Net zero. under the bases they are the biggest polluters l


The Dutch government have been trying to stop the protests by limiting numbers and changing rules to not allow the protesters to set up.

It’s rumoured they have also borrowed water cannons from the German police. As well as have the mayor of The Hague stating he will have military equipment on standby.

Wonder what the coverage will be. As only things Iv seen about it are on twitter.

Edited by J210 on Saturday 11th March 10:04

I live in Lincolnshire, a farming county and if the Dutch tractors are anything like the ones up here then the end result of a water cannon Vs tractor will be a very clean tractor and an overturned water cannon.

[vulture1]

JagLover said:

vulture1 said:

Going after farmers that is just madness. Thought the world was trying to help and grow them. There's alot of produce from Holland that ends up in our shopping baskets.

Seems bill Gates was right buying up farmland in the USA.

So Bill Gates is one of those who is going to benefit . What was that saying about conspiracy theories being spoiler warnings these days.

Better him buying it up than the chinese buying farms in the US. He iirc is going to give away all his wealth when he goes.

[BabySharkDD]

Just the usual war on those who produce things by those who provide little of value to society.

[Ian Geary]

I just googled "farmer protests Brussels" and only saw one uk site covering it (The Independent) in the top 10

Outlook india were on the list though?

Given elections are 2 weeks away, it seems bizarre a major political event like this is not even on the BBC, despite the current obsession with Lineker.


Whenever conspiracy theorists have started going on about wef secret orders to the prime minister, I have always assumed democratic power would hold up against genuinely unpopular policies.

I don't know what the opposition parties are like in the Netherlands- it might be too late for protest candidates to sign up and stand as independents.