Iraqi immigrant stabbed student to get deported

Iraqi immigrant stabbed student to get deported

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Smiler.

Original Poster:

11,752 posts

236 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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WTAF?

From the Telegraph:

Iraqi immigrant stabbed university student because he wanted to be deported from Britain

Telegraph said:
Teenager Ellis Wheeler was left fighting for his life after Rebaz Mohammed attacked him as he was walking through a leafy park on his way back from the gym.

Mr Wheeler managed to run away but passed out before being rushed to hospital where he underwent surgery.

Mohammed, who came to the UK illegally on a small boat, was arrested at the scene and told police he had attacked his victim so he could be sent home to Iraq.

The 28-year-old appeared at Southampton Crown Court after pleading guilty to grievous bodily harm with intent and possessing a knife blade. He had previously been cautioned for criminal damage and battery and in May 2022, was jailed for 12 weeks for racially-aggravated harassment and stalking.

The court heard how his victim, a first year Solent University student, missed his exams and still struggles to sleep as he his dogged by anxiety.

Mohammed was sentenced to six years imprisonment with a four year extended licence following the 'indiscriminate' attack in Hoglands Park, Southampton, Hants, last December.
Why was this criminal still in the UK & not deported upon his release from prison in August/September 2022?

foxbody-87

2,675 posts

172 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Only Gary Lineker can save this troubled man’s soul.

dudleybloke

20,381 posts

192 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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What was stopping him from just going back anyway?

Rivenink

3,936 posts

112 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Smiler. said:
WTAF?

From the Telegraph:

Iraqi immigrant stabbed university student because he wanted to be deported from Britain

Telegraph said:
Teenager Ellis Wheeler was left fighting for his life after Rebaz Mohammed attacked him as he was walking through a leafy park on his way back from the gym.

Mr Wheeler managed to run away but passed out before being rushed to hospital where he underwent surgery.

Mohammed, who came to the UK illegally on a small boat, was arrested at the scene and told police he had attacked his victim so he could be sent home to Iraq.

The 28-year-old appeared at Southampton Crown Court after pleading guilty to grievous bodily harm with intent and possessing a knife blade. He had previously been cautioned for criminal damage and battery and in May 2022, was jailed for 12 weeks for racially-aggravated harassment and stalking.

The court heard how his victim, a first year Solent University student, missed his exams and still struggles to sleep as he his dogged by anxiety.

Mohammed was sentenced to six years imprisonment with a four year extended licence following the 'indiscriminate' attack in Hoglands Park, Southampton, Hants, last December.
Why was this criminal still in the UK & not deported upon his release from prison in August/September 2022?
A few thoughts:

1. Incompetent political leadership at the Home Office.
2. A severely underfunded justice system
3. Overworked prison and probation services.


SteveStrange

4,772 posts

219 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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dudleybloke said:
What was stopping him from just going back anyway?
Cost?
If he arrived on a boat, would he have travel documents? We hear about the boat guys (and girls) deliberately getting rid of any ID documents, so maybe he didn't have a passport? Although not sure how much of a problem that would have been, presumably his nationality would have been proven as he went through the penal system.

Rivenink

3,936 posts

112 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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dudleybloke said:
What was stopping him from just going back anyway?
I'm gonna take a guess, and suggest cost.

Illegal immigrant, so no right to work.

Criminal record, so probably not top of peoples shortlists if he could work.

And I guess he got bored of waiting for Ryanair to offer a £10 one way ticket.

JagLover

43,596 posts

241 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Smiler. said:
Why was this criminal still in the UK & not deported upon his release from prison in August/September 2022?
Probably too scared of Gary Lineker saying they were Nazis.

bitchstewie

54,565 posts

216 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Smiler. said:
Why was this criminal still in the UK & not deported upon his release from prison in August/September 2022?
Should have been.

Presumably wasn't because of a complete failure of Government policy.

E63eeeeee...

4,452 posts

55 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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dudleybloke said:
What was stopping him from just going back anyway?
Depressingly, if he'd just rocked up at a police station or home office counter they'd most likely have arranged for that to happen, so I imagine the answer is not being aware of that fact.

E63eeeeee...

4,452 posts

55 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Smiler. said:
Why was this criminal still in the UK & not deported upon his release from prison in August/September 2022?
Hard to say. There is a minimum threshold for a sentence that leads to automatic deportations, but I'd have thought that would be above it. Iran might have refused to document him or take him. Or he might just be in the middle of a deliberately broken immigration system that aims for this kind of headline while doing nothing to reduce them.

Also, reporting of immigration and judicial proceedings is often astonishingly bad, so it's entirely possible the Telegraph are lying about something, making st up or missing some key points.

SteveStrange

4,772 posts

219 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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E63eeeeee... said:
Or he might just be in the middle of a deliberately broken immigration system that aims for this kind of headline while doing nothing to reduce them.
rolleyes

With this kind of hyperbole/rhetoric, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.

E63eeeeee...

4,452 posts

55 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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SteveStrange said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Or he might just be in the middle of a deliberately broken immigration system that aims for this kind of headline while doing nothing to reduce them.
rolleyes

With this kind of hyperbole/rhetoric, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.
Well, that would be pretty stupid, but that's your prerogative.

Do feel free to share what your qualifications are for judging that as hyperbole though. Do you feel like the immigration system is working well at the moment?

bitchstewie

54,565 posts

216 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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It works brilliantly and is totally fit for purpose.

The Government would have it all sorted in a jiffy if it wasn't for the lefty lawyers and people like Lineker thwarting the will of the people.

SteveStrange

4,772 posts

219 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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E63eeeeee... said:
SteveStrange said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Or he might just be in the middle of a deliberately broken immigration system that aims for this kind of headline while doing nothing to reduce them.
rolleyes

With this kind of hyperbole/rhetoric, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.
Well, that would be pretty stupid, but that's your prerogative.

Do feel free to share what your qualifications are for judging that as hyperbole though. Do you feel like the immigration system is working well at the moment?
Ignoring your somewhat clumsy attempt to be personally insulting, no, I don't think that it's deliberate as much as it is incompetence, nor does it (deliberately) aim to generate any of these negative headlines. I think it's hyperbolic because it's a very extreme, simplistic, and paranoid interpretation of a complex system.

What are your qualifications for suggesting the system has been deliberately broken? Please keep it objective, and don't answer akin to "BeCaUsE ToReEz".

SteveStrange

4,772 posts

219 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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bhstewie said:
It works brilliantly and is totally fit for purpose.

The Government would have it all sorted in a jiffy if it wasn't for the lefty lawyers and people like Lineker thwarting the will of the people.
Oscar Wilde had it nailed when he wrote about sarcasm.

E63eeeeee...

4,452 posts

55 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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SteveStrange said:
E63eeeeee... said:
SteveStrange said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Or he might just be in the middle of a deliberately broken immigration system that aims for this kind of headline while doing nothing to reduce them.
rolleyes

With this kind of hyperbole/rhetoric, it's hard to take anything else you write seriously.
Well, that would be pretty stupid, but that's your prerogative.

Do feel free to share what your qualifications are for judging that as hyperbole though. Do you feel like the immigration system is working well at the moment?
Ignoring your somewhat clumsy attempt to be personally insulting, no, I don't think that it's deliberate as much as it is incompetence, nor does it (deliberately) aim to generate any of these negative headlines. I think it's hyperbolic because it's a very extreme, simplistic, and paranoid interpretation of a complex system.

What are your qualifications for suggesting the system has been deliberately broken? Please keep it objective, and don't answer akin to "BeCaUsE ToReEz".
Well over a decade working in it.

turbobloke

106,967 posts

266 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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foxbody-87 said:
Only Gary Lineker can save this troubled man’s soul.
hehe
Hang on...spare room available?

Gogoplata

1,271 posts

166 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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This and the Rwanda thread has revealed Schrödinger's immigrant who should be here, but not here at the same time.

"Oh my God! The Tories are literally Nazis for trying to stop illegal immigrants!"

Whilst

"Oh my god! The immigrant stabbed somebody! Why didn't the Tories do something!"


Ziplobb

1,404 posts

290 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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foxbody-87 said:
Only Gary Lineker can save this troubled man’s soul.
Gary should take this chap into his home
Proper learn him in his ways
that will rehabilitate him

E63eeeeee...

4,452 posts

55 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Gogoplata said:
This and the Rwanda thread has revealed Schrödinger's immigrant who should be here, but not here at the same time.

"Oh my God! The Tories are literally Nazis for trying to stop illegal immigrants!"

Whilst

"Oh my god! The immigrant stabbed somebody! Why didn't the Tories do something!"
You need to learn the basic facts about immigration before you spout off about it in public. Asylum seekers aren't illegal immigrants.

Then you can try with some straw man bullst that's slightly harder to pick apart.