Three Found Dead After Search
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Five people missing in Cardiff. Three later found dead in car crash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64859195
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64859195
I saw that in the paper over the weekend.
I don't know the area to know how easy it might be to miss a car that's gone off the road (it sounds like that's what's happened) but I'm a little surprised that out of five people there was no "find my iPhone" type tech on any of them.
Horrible outcome.
I don't know the area to know how easy it might be to miss a car that's gone off the road (it sounds like that's what's happened) but I'm a little surprised that out of five people there was no "find my iPhone" type tech on any of them.
Horrible outcome.
Cardiff to Trecco bay caravan park at Porthcawl is strange. Great beach there though.
Did the two men have access to a caravan there and that's the place to take women picked up.
Cant imagine how bad it must be for the two injured, trapped in a car all that time with three dead...or dying.
Did the two men have access to a caravan there and that's the place to take women picked up.
Cant imagine how bad it must be for the two injured, trapped in a car all that time with three dead...or dying.
It doesn't hugely add up to me.
To go from where they were to where they were found crashed would involve driving past a number of cameras on some pretty big roads. Where they crashed was just on the outskirts of Cardiff, but not an especially rural area - there's a big housing estate right by there and it's a major route into / out of Cardiff.
It sounds like the car went off the road into some woodland when it crashed so that explains why it maybe took a little longer, but a couple of days?
To go from where they were to where they were found crashed would involve driving past a number of cameras on some pretty big roads. Where they crashed was just on the outskirts of Cardiff, but not an especially rural area - there's a big housing estate right by there and it's a major route into / out of Cardiff.
It sounds like the car went off the road into some woodland when it crashed so that explains why it maybe took a little longer, but a couple of days?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: ...I don't know the area to know how easy it might be to miss a car that's gone off the road (it sounds like that's what's happened) but I'm a little surprised that out of five people there was no "find my iPhone" type tech on any of them.
Horrible outcome.
Wasn't there a horrible case a few years back of someone who crashed but the car wasn't found for a week or so? IIRC the person inside had been trapped but alive but was dead by the time they were eventually found.Horrible outcome.
I think they've been shifting along the A48M, come off onto the A48 and not made the roundabout. They've ended up in the thick cover. Something was missed initially, like they weren't spotted getting into the car and it's taken a while to trawl through the footage of them travelling a fair distance about South Wales.
Awful. Hope it's good news about those that survived the crash.
Awful. Hope it's good news about those that survived the crash.
Assuming the right direction the road going to the roundabout comes of the a48 right before the roundabout is one massive speedbump hit that doing 70mph plus and would have launched the car into the trees in the middle. It's pretty heavily covered so if nobody was around to see it could well imagine nobody really knowing a car was in there.
Local chat seems to think one of the people inside only just come out of prison and there was another person in the car who got out a few mins before the crash.
Local chat seems to think one of the people inside only just come out of prison and there was another person in the car who got out a few mins before the crash.
Edited by MG CHRIS on Monday 6th March 13:26
Byker28i said:
Cardiff to Trecco bay caravan park at Porthcawl is strange. Great beach there though.
Did the two men have access to a caravan there and that's the place to take women picked up.
Strange indeed but unlikely sinister. I believe they started out at a social club in a residential area in Newport. Presumably they all knew each other as the ones from Cardiff wouldn't have been in there otherwise. It's not the sort of place you'd drive 10 miles to go visit unless you had a reason to be there. Did the two men have access to a caravan there and that's the place to take women picked up.
Also not much open at Trecco late at night so they were presumably going to a house/caravan party or something. Very sad that they didn't make it.
Anyway, their reasons for travel are irrelevant, free country and all that. It seems the focus is now back on the police for not taking the initial missing person reports seriously enough.
I know the road and the driver must have been absolutely tanking it to get as far into the wooded area as he has.
Going by reports of the drivers history and the establishments they have frequented that night it's a fair summation that lots of alcohol and other substances had a bearing on the outcome.
Thankfully no other vehicle involved
Going by reports of the drivers history and the establishments they have frequented that night it's a fair summation that lots of alcohol and other substances had a bearing on the outcome.
Thankfully no other vehicle involved
Quhet said:
Wasn't there a horrible case a few years back of someone who crashed but the car wasn't found for a week or so? IIRC the person inside had been trapped but alive but was dead by the time they were eventually found.
There have been a few over the years, there was a notable one ( which I think you’re referring to) where a car had left the M9 near Stirling about 8 years ago with two occupants in it and wasn’t found for several days. On occupant a male was found dead in the car and the other female occupant was still alive, but who sadly later died in hospital Heartbreaking news for the families of these young people and a scary thing for any parent to hear, particularly one with teenagers/young adults
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Ooof, this is a nasty one and on familiar territory for me. There’s lots of talk of coming off at a particular roundabout - I guess that would be the one a few yards from the garden centre? If so, I guess they were travelling up past Castleton given their destination / direction of travel? Are we thinking they hit the speed bump and ended up in the trees in the middle of the roundabout or am I reading too much into it?
Not trying to be morbid / unsympathetic at all, I’m just genuinely interested as to how it might have happened.
Not trying to be morbid / unsympathetic at all, I’m just genuinely interested as to how it might have happened.
Heathwood said:
Ooof, this is a nasty one and on familiar territory for me. There’s lots of talk of coming off at a particular roundabout - I guess that would be the one a few yards from the garden centre? If so, I guess they were travelling up past Castleton given their destination / direction of travel? Are we thinking they hit the speed bump and ended up in the trees in the middle of the roundabout or am I reading too much into it?
Not trying to be morbid / unsympathetic at all, I’m just genuinely interested as to how it might have happened.
Yep believe that to be the case looking at the area and the fact it was covered in police tape stopping people getting in. Suspect drugs and alcohol involved.Not trying to be morbid / unsympathetic at all, I’m just genuinely interested as to how it might have happened.
TTmonkey said:
Reports at least one of the girls is alive.
And one of the girls, had a sister die in 2015 due to being a passenger in a car driven by a drink driver.
Sad. Lives ruined.
It’s all over social media if you care to look, the authorities might not have named them but their friends/family have, but yes one male/female taken out the vehicle alive, current condition unknown And one of the girls, had a sister die in 2015 due to being a passenger in a car driven by a drink driver.
Sad. Lives ruined.
xx99xx said:
Byker28i said:
Cardiff to Trecco bay caravan park at Porthcawl is strange. Great beach there though.
Did the two men have access to a caravan there and that's the place to take women picked up.
Strange indeed but unlikely sinister. I believe they started out at a social club in a residential area in Newport. Presumably they all knew each other as the ones from Cardiff wouldn't have been in there otherwise. It's not the sort of place you'd drive 10 miles to go visit unless you had a reason to be there. Did the two men have access to a caravan there and that's the place to take women picked up.
Also not much open at Trecco late at night so they were presumably going to a house/caravan party or something. Very sad that they didn't make it.
Anyway, their reasons for travel are irrelevant, free country and all that. It seems the focus is now back on the police for not taking the initial missing person reports seriously enough.
It's a long way to go and back, as they were seen in Llanedeyrn in the early hours, then the claim they crashed sometime later that early morning, heading back towards Newport.
So they weren't at Trecco for very long, it wasn't taking the girls off for an overnight stay, so a collection of something?
Byker28i said:
Gone there and were on the way back according to reports - my comment on it was because thats a fair way to go to Porthcawl, 36 miles the report said, 45 mins or so, so not 10 miles..
It's a long way to go and back, as they were seen in Llanedeyrn in the early hours, then the claim they crashed sometime later that early morning, heading back towards Newport.
So they weren't at Trecco for very long, it wasn't taking the girls off for an overnight stay, so a collection of something?
Yep, I meant 10 miles for the 2 who lived in Cardiff to go for a beer in a social club in Newport. I.e. why would you when there are better places to drink on their doorstep unless they were meeting people there. Hence I think they all knew each other and wasn't some random pick up.It's a long way to go and back, as they were seen in Llanedeyrn in the early hours, then the claim they crashed sometime later that early morning, heading back towards Newport.
So they weren't at Trecco for very long, it wasn't taking the girls off for an overnight stay, so a collection of something?
I didn't realise they were on the way back from Trecco. Maybe they went out in Porthcawl for a drink? It would probably be better than the social club in Newport
xx99xx said:
Byker28i said:
Gone there and were on the way back according to reports - my comment on it was because thats a fair way to go to Porthcawl, 36 miles the report said, 45 mins or so, so not 10 miles..
It's a long way to go and back, as they were seen in Llanedeyrn in the early hours, then the claim they crashed sometime later that early morning, heading back towards Newport.
So they weren't at Trecco for very long, it wasn't taking the girls off for an overnight stay, so a collection of something?
Yep, I meant 10 miles for the 2 who lived in Cardiff to go for a beer in a social club in Newport. I.e. why would you when there are better places to drink on their doorstep unless they were meeting people there. Hence I think they all knew each other and wasn't some random pick up.It's a long way to go and back, as they were seen in Llanedeyrn in the early hours, then the claim they crashed sometime later that early morning, heading back towards Newport.
So they weren't at Trecco for very long, it wasn't taking the girls off for an overnight stay, so a collection of something?
I didn't realise they were on the way back from Trecco. Maybe they went out in Porthcawl for a drink? It would probably be better than the social club in Newport
Ynox said:
It doesn't hugely add up to me.
To go from where they were to where they were found crashed would involve driving past a number of cameras on some pretty big roads. Where they crashed was just on the outskirts of Cardiff, but not an especially rural area - there's a big housing estate right by there and it's a major route into / out of Cardiff.
It sounds like the car went off the road into some woodland when it crashed so that explains why it maybe took a little longer, but a couple of days?
It doesn't look like an area that anybody normally goes anywhere near, there's no footpaths and the road doesn't lead anywhere you'd want to walk.To go from where they were to where they were found crashed would involve driving past a number of cameras on some pretty big roads. Where they crashed was just on the outskirts of Cardiff, but not an especially rural area - there's a big housing estate right by there and it's a major route into / out of Cardiff.
It sounds like the car went off the road into some woodland when it crashed so that explains why it maybe took a little longer, but a couple of days?
There's not much detail about what police have done, but given it was the weekend and apparently the men are 'known' to police I doubt it was high on their priority list to take any action at all, they probably assumed they had gone "off grid" for the weekend.
Apparently one of the victims' sisters was killed in a drug-driving crash in 2015 and she appeared in a documentary about sentencing for the crime:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11825387/...
Another is the son of footballer Leon Jeanne. The father Leon was convicted of dangerous driving in 2019 for a police chase on the A48 nearby, and various offences of drug dealing etc:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/leon-...
I can't find anything obvious about any of them having been in prison though.
Edited by Gareth79 on Monday 6th March 14:55
Gareth79 said:
It doesn't look like an area that anybody normally goes anywhere near, there's no footpaths and the road doesn't lead anywhere you'd want to walk.
There's not much detail about what police have done, but given it was the weekend and apparently the men are 'known' to police I doubt it was high on their priority list to take any action at all, they probably assumed they had gone "off grid" for the weekend.
Three twenty year old girls go ‘off grid’ for the weekend? No social media, no texts, not making or answering calls, letting down family?There's not much detail about what police have done, but given it was the weekend and apparently the men are 'known' to police I doubt it was high on their priority list to take any action at all, they probably assumed they had gone "off grid" for the weekend.
No this had tragedy written all over it large from Saturday evening onwards. Perhaps earlier.
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