Ped gets 3 years for manslaughter of cyclist hit by car…
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21565067/pedestrian-...
This seems like a bizarre case and big sentence considering this ped just seems to wave about a bit, doesn’t seem to hit the cyclist on the pavement or even really impeded the cyclist, who then topples off as she loses control and falls into road and is hit by a car.
Some aggregating factors as the ped does a runner, but still seems a bit odd. After all, a cyclist should not be on the pavement and it seems reasonable for a ped to shout or wave if feeling vulnerable, and a cyclist should be able to control the bike and stop if needed…or not be on the road?
Must be more to this ‘breaking story’ but seems a bit severe even if the lady died.
This seems like a bizarre case and big sentence considering this ped just seems to wave about a bit, doesn’t seem to hit the cyclist on the pavement or even really impeded the cyclist, who then topples off as she loses control and falls into road and is hit by a car.
Some aggregating factors as the ped does a runner, but still seems a bit odd. After all, a cyclist should not be on the pavement and it seems reasonable for a ped to shout or wave if feeling vulnerable, and a cyclist should be able to control the bike and stop if needed…or not be on the road?
Must be more to this ‘breaking story’ but seems a bit severe even if the lady died.
I saw this too and thought that, on the face of it, the pedestrian was very hard done by to be convicted of a charge as serious as manslaughter.
I was also a little surprised by the Police's comments. Suggests that there may be other factors not reported as this reads more than shouting at someone and waving one's hand at them.
"Everyone will have their own views on cyclists, pavements and cycleways but what is clear is Auriol Grey's response to the presence of Celia on a pedal cycle was totally disproportionate and ultimately found to be unlawful, resulting in Celia's untimely and needless death"
I was also a little surprised by the Police's comments. Suggests that there may be other factors not reported as this reads more than shouting at someone and waving one's hand at them.
"Everyone will have their own views on cyclists, pavements and cycleways but what is clear is Auriol Grey's response to the presence of Celia on a pedal cycle was totally disproportionate and ultimately found to be unlawful, resulting in Celia's untimely and needless death"
poo at Paul's said:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21565067/pedestrian-...
This seems like a bizarre case and big sentence considering this ped just seems to wave about a bit, doesn’t seem to hit the cyclist on the pavement or even really impeded the cyclist, who then topples off as she loses control and falls into road and is hit by a car.
Some aggregating factors as the ped does a runner, but still seems a bit odd. After all, a cyclist should not be on the pavement and it seems reasonable for a ped to shout or wave if feeling vulnerable, and a cyclist should be able to control the bike and stop if needed…or not be on the road?
Must be more to this ‘breaking story’ but seems a bit severe even if the lady died.
Looks like she actually pushed the cyclist into the road...This seems like a bizarre case and big sentence considering this ped just seems to wave about a bit, doesn’t seem to hit the cyclist on the pavement or even really impeded the cyclist, who then topples off as she loses control and falls into road and is hit by a car.
Some aggregating factors as the ped does a runner, but still seems a bit odd. After all, a cyclist should not be on the pavement and it seems reasonable for a ped to shout or wave if feeling vulnerable, and a cyclist should be able to control the bike and stop if needed…or not be on the road?
Must be more to this ‘breaking story’ but seems a bit severe even if the lady died.
Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
It seems a very severe punishment based on that video but if the Pedestrian had indeed "done a runner" after the event then that could have gone against her. If she'd stuck around and maybe even helped at least she would have been on scene and able to have given her side early on in the event.
I'm amazed it wasn't somehow the motorists fault.
I'm amazed it wasn't somehow the motorists fault.
mondeoman said:
poo at Paul's said:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21565067/pedestrian-...
This seems like a bizarre case and big sentence considering this ped just seems to wave about a bit, doesn’t seem to hit the cyclist on the pavement or even really impeded the cyclist, who then topples off as she loses control and falls into road and is hit by a car.
Some aggregating factors as the ped does a runner, but still seems a bit odd. After all, a cyclist should not be on the pavement and it seems reasonable for a ped to shout or wave if feeling vulnerable, and a cyclist should be able to control the bike and stop if needed…or not be on the road?
Must be more to this ‘breaking story’ but seems a bit severe even if the lady died.
Looks like she actually pushed the cyclist into the road...This seems like a bizarre case and big sentence considering this ped just seems to wave about a bit, doesn’t seem to hit the cyclist on the pavement or even really impeded the cyclist, who then topples off as she loses control and falls into road and is hit by a car.
Some aggregating factors as the ped does a runner, but still seems a bit odd. After all, a cyclist should not be on the pavement and it seems reasonable for a ped to shout or wave if feeling vulnerable, and a cyclist should be able to control the bike and stop if needed…or not be on the road?
Must be more to this ‘breaking story’ but seems a bit severe even if the lady died.
Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
Looking at the images, the ped is facing traffic and has enough room to move aside to safety. Instead, despite being able to see traffic is on the road, she shouts and gestures at the cyclist, forcing her into the traffic on the road. She made a very bad decision out of anger, causing the death of the cyclist. I'm not sure what else we would want to happen here?
The fact that she then went shopping instead of showing any remorse or concern hardly helps. Irresepective of whether the old dear on the bike should have been on the pavement or not, it's hardly an in any way reasonable action to push them into traffic for fear of her own wellbeing when she literally just had take one step to the right.
The fact that she then went shopping instead of showing any remorse or concern hardly helps. Irresepective of whether the old dear on the bike should have been on the pavement or not, it's hardly an in any way reasonable action to push them into traffic for fear of her own wellbeing when she literally just had take one step to the right.
holebstb3 said:
Looking at the images, the ped is facing traffic and has enough room to move aside to safety. Instead, despite being able to see traffic is on the road, she shouts and gestures at the cyclist, forcing her into the traffic on the road. She made a very bad decision out of anger, causing the death of the cyclist. I'm not sure what else we would want to happen here?
The fact that she then went shopping instead of showing any remorse or concern hardly helps. Irresepective of whether the old dear on the bike should have been on the pavement or not, it's hardly an in any way reasonable action to push them into traffic for fear of her own wellbeing when she literally just had take one step to the right.
Pretty much this taking the reports at face value.The fact that she then went shopping instead of showing any remorse or concern hardly helps. Irresepective of whether the old dear on the bike should have been on the pavement or not, it's hardly an in any way reasonable action to push them into traffic for fear of her own wellbeing when she literally just had take one step to the right.
If I'm walking (or cycling) down the street and someone lunges at me but only intends to scare me but I jump into the road and get hit by a car sure part of me thinks that manslaughter sounds a bit harsh but if they hadn't done it I'd still be alive.
bstb3 said:
Looking at the images, the ped is facing traffic and has enough room to move aside to safety. Instead, despite being able to see traffic is on the road, she shouts and gestures at the cyclist, forcing her into the traffic on the road. She made a very bad decision out of anger, causing the death of the cyclist. I'm not sure what else we would want to happen here?
But surely you can also argue that, as a responsible cyclist that has for some reason decided to cycle on a path, you should be able to control your bicycle and if you are incapable to the point that someone gesticulating at you and speaking to you causes you to fall off, you shouldn't be riding said bicycle?Nobody was forced into traffic on the road. The cyclist fell into the road because she couldn't control her bicycle.
mondeoman said:
Looks like she actually pushed the cyclist into the road...
Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
There was a slow mo close up of them passing earlier on the suns site, and it doesn’t look like any contact and certainly not any with any ‘force’. Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
The statement about her reaction being disproportionate is unusual, who’s to say how she should react. To be fair, as a 49 year old, she seems to be in not the best shape and not walking well. I’d say any cyclist there has a duty to steer well clear, give way to her, stop if necessary etc.
So I guess there must be more to it that we don’t know. Maybe some history?
Muzzer79 said:
But surely you can also argue that, as a responsible cyclist that has for some reason decided to cycle on a path, you should be able to control your bicycle and if you are incapable to the point that someone gesticulating at you and speaking to you causes you to fall off, you shouldn't be riding said bicycle?
Nobody was forced into traffic on the road. The cyclist fell into the road because she couldn't control her bicycle.
Yes, its true the cyclist is also at fault. I think they've probably learned their lesson though & their side of the punishment is incredibly harsh for that you would feel (I hope). It's not clear enough for me what happens at the point she falls, it doesn't look like much contact but the camera angle isn't great. Even so, it was all unnecessary and the ped has responsibility too. It's not binary.Nobody was forced into traffic on the road. The cyclist fell into the road because she couldn't control her bicycle.
poo at Paul's said:
mondeoman said:
Looks like she actually pushed the cyclist into the road...
Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
There was a slow mo close up of them passing earlier on the suns site, and it doesn’t look like any contact and certainly not any with any ‘force’. Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
The statement about her reaction being disproportionate is unusual, who’s to say how she should react. To be fair, as a 49 year old, she seems to be in not the best shape and not walking well. I’d say any cyclist there has a duty to steer well clear, give way to her, stop if necessary etc.
So I guess there must be more to it that we don’t know. Maybe some history?
BikeBikeBIke said:
Am I alone in thinking I can see a very distinct push which exactly coincides with the fall?
The slow mo they had earlier showed it better and certainly wasn’t anything ‘distinct’. I think if there was, police would have said so.
Anyone remember the London Bridge jogger guy who pushed that woman into the bus and ran off…..
poo at Paul's said:
mondeoman said:
Looks like she actually pushed the cyclist into the road...
Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
There was a slow mo close up of them passing earlier on the suns site, and it doesn’t look like any contact and certainly not any with any ‘force’. Angry bitter old woman does angry bitter old woman stuff and kills someone.
The statement about her reaction being disproportionate is unusual, who’s to say how she should react. To be fair, as a 49 year old, she seems to be in not the best shape and not walking well. I’d say any cyclist there has a duty to steer well clear, give way to her, stop if necessary etc.
So I guess there must be more to it that we don’t know. Maybe some history?
BikeBikeBIke said:
Am I alone in thinking I can see a very distinct push which exactly coincides with the fall?
No I'm getting that too - if you watch the ped's legs she breaks her step towards the end and leans across to her left, and as she moves on you see her arm extend behind her, and the cyclists movements correlate with her left arm being pushed, she doesn't just lose her balance her front wheel steers to the right when it's already past the ped and then she falls off.Whether she should be on the pavement or not is neither here nor there, same way I can't just smash our baby buggy into parked cars blocking the pavement, as much as I would like to.
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