Dozens killed in Greece train crash
Discussion
Terrible accident in which a passenger train, carrying mainly students, crashes head-on with a freight train..
https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-26-people-kill...
https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-26-people-kill...
Edited by rjfp1962 on Wednesday 1st March 11:00
toastyhamster said:
Can't understand how 2 trains running in opposite directions end up on the same track, even with manual signalling. Surely that's not normal even with the reportedly poor state of the Greek railway system?
Seems to be single tracked with NO signalling and trains authorised via radio. Accident waiting to happen if it’s proved to be the case.
valiant said:
toastyhamster said:
Can't understand how 2 trains running in opposite directions end up on the same track, even with manual signalling. Surely that's not normal even with the reportedly poor state of the Greek railway system?
Seems to be single tracked with NO signalling and trains authorised via radio. Accident waiting to happen if it’s proved to be the case.
There's a few single track branch lines and industrial sidings so you might suspect an errant freight train but looking at the layout I'd wager the passenger train being released on the wrong line.
gregs656 said:
Train accidents scare the hell out of me, absolutely horrific.
Check out the 1988 crash in UK near Clapham Junction. THREE trains involved. Nasty incident in a cutting that was difficult for fire and ambulance to reach. There used to be a decent memorial garden but now all that remains is a little concrete thing on the pavement.Fortunately modern trains tend to be of monocoque construction. Older trains, such as crashed at Clapham, were "body on frame" and one frame could override another, reducing the wooden passenger compartment and the people in it to fragments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Junction_rai...
Teddy Lop said:
valiant said:
toastyhamster said:
Can't understand how 2 trains running in opposite directions end up on the same track, even with manual signalling. Surely that's not normal even with the reportedly poor state of the Greek railway system?
Seems to be single tracked with NO signalling and trains authorised via radio. Accident waiting to happen if it’s proved to be the case.
There's a few single track branch lines and industrial sidings so you might suspect an errant freight train but looking at the layout I'd wager the passenger train being released on the wrong line.
From all accounts, the Greek train network is a shambles and there's been little interest in improving safeguards.
I wonder how much of that lack of safety is tied up in their perma-crisis finances?
Though from comments I've seen, the paucity of their rail safety predates their euro driven financial implosion.
Safety costs though, and the money will have to come from someone?
I'm sure Germany have got some reassuringly expensive trains they can sell to Greece.
Though from comments I've seen, the paucity of their rail safety predates their euro driven financial implosion.
Safety costs though, and the money will have to come from someone?
I'm sure Germany have got some reassuringly expensive trains they can sell to Greece.
Ian Geary said:
I wonder how much of that lack of safety is tied up in their perma-crisis finances?
Though from comments I've seen, the paucity of their rail safety predates their euro driven financial implosion.
Safety costs though, and the money will have to come from someone?
I'm sure Germany have got some reassuringly expensive trains they can sell to Greece.
I don't think it's much to do with money, more likely to relate to the Greek approach to life in general, plus corruption.Though from comments I've seen, the paucity of their rail safety predates their euro driven financial implosion.
Safety costs though, and the money will have to come from someone?
I'm sure Germany have got some reassuringly expensive trains they can sell to Greece.
Vasco said:
From all accounts, the Greek train network is a shambles and there's been little interest in improving safeguards.
Sort of thing I would have found incomprehensible, but that same statement could now be said about lots of things in the UK - Probation, environmental protection / enforcement, sewage and surface drainage, education, hospitals, the justice system, vetting and recruitment of Police officers, Ambulance, investigation of crimes that aren’t speeding or murder, road maintenance . . .Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff