Manchester Clean Air Zone
Discussion
Back in 2008 Greater Manchester faced the introduction of congestion charging but having been put to a referendum it was massively defeated by every local area across the region.
Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
Blue383 said:
Back in 2008 Greater Manchester faced the introduction of congestion charging but having been put to a referendum it was massively defeated by every local area across the region.
Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
It was Manchester City Council led at the time, although supported by AGMA, in return for a £bn investment to expand the Metrolink tram network. Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
MCC was, and still is, heavily political, with such 'red' dominate, it was almost mafia like in operation. Around 200 influential business however clubbed together and formed an action group, United City to oppose. They proposed a referendum. Sir Howard and his poisonous socialist side-kick, Sir Richard, thought they would win. They didn't.
It's now the Metro Mayor, Andy Burnham. Equally as corrupt and poisonous as Richard Lees, but he has a power to do what he likes now.
Julian Scott said:
Blue383 said:
Back in 2008 Greater Manchester faced the introduction of congestion charging but having been put to a referendum it was massively defeated by every local area across the region.
Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
It was Manchester City Council led at the time, although supported by AGMA, in return for a £bn investment to expand the Metrolink tram network. Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
MCC was, and still is, heavily political, with such 'red' dominate, it was almost mafia like in operation. Around 200 influential business however clubbed together and formed an action group, United City to oppose. They proposed a referendum. Sir Howard and his poisonous socialist side-kick, Sir Richard, thought they would win. They didn't.
It's now the Metro Mayor, Andy Burnham. Equally as corrupt and poisonous as Richard Lees, but he has a power to do what he likes now.
It'll require completely different legal arguments this time.
Unfortunately, pretty much all the devolved centres have become extreme left hubs and the 'clean air' path is the fastest way to deliver total vehicle monitoring, vehicle taxation, big revenue increases and the end of private vehicle ownership.
Pre Covid you'd have thought yourself mad to think that owner a car fell into the 'property is theft' mantra but among some people the freedom of movement is the freedom of thinking and the freedom from oppression.
No one in their right minds doesn't want urban air to be as clean as it can be and reducing congestion and switching to EV are very sensible objectives but that's not what the devolved centres are up to. The initial implementation of the road charging infrastructure is just the stepping stone to the final solution.
It's going to be quite interesting to see why of these centres survive such radical political restructuring and which end up bust.
One imagines that London will do fine as there is the eternal revenue of business but we can already see Wales and Scotland faltering as it's too easy for businesses to relocate or not locate in the first instance than deal with the issues.
I suspect Birmingham and Bristol will be OK also but Manchester seems too small and already build on an immensely weak foundation of debt. One sometimes wonders if the only thing holding up the house of cards is having 22 football players instead of 11?
Unfortunately, pretty much all the devolved centres have become extreme left hubs and the 'clean air' path is the fastest way to deliver total vehicle monitoring, vehicle taxation, big revenue increases and the end of private vehicle ownership.
Pre Covid you'd have thought yourself mad to think that owner a car fell into the 'property is theft' mantra but among some people the freedom of movement is the freedom of thinking and the freedom from oppression.
No one in their right minds doesn't want urban air to be as clean as it can be and reducing congestion and switching to EV are very sensible objectives but that's not what the devolved centres are up to. The initial implementation of the road charging infrastructure is just the stepping stone to the final solution.
It's going to be quite interesting to see why of these centres survive such radical political restructuring and which end up bust.
One imagines that London will do fine as there is the eternal revenue of business but we can already see Wales and Scotland faltering as it's too easy for businesses to relocate or not locate in the first instance than deal with the issues.
I suspect Birmingham and Bristol will be OK also but Manchester seems too small and already build on an immensely weak foundation of debt. One sometimes wonders if the only thing holding up the house of cards is having 22 football players instead of 11?
Blue383 said:
Julian Scott said:
Blue383 said:
Back in 2008 Greater Manchester faced the introduction of congestion charging but having been put to a referendum it was massively defeated by every local area across the region.
Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
It was Manchester City Council led at the time, although supported by AGMA, in return for a £bn investment to expand the Metrolink tram network. Does anyone know how this referendum was brought about or by whom? I know a number of large business like Kelloggs and Peel Holding opposed the congestion charge but how did we get the city to hold a referendum?
Were now looking at a Clean Air Zone, effectively the same congestion charge but with a new name, despite having said a decisive 'NO' last time.
With the rise of ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities is there a way of making local government put things to local residents?
MCC was, and still is, heavily political, with such 'red' dominate, it was almost mafia like in operation. Around 200 influential business however clubbed together and formed an action group, United City to oppose. They proposed a referendum. Sir Howard and his poisonous socialist side-kick, Sir Richard, thought they would win. They didn't.
It's now the Metro Mayor, Andy Burnham. Equally as corrupt and poisonous as Richard Lees, but he has a power to do what he likes now.
DonkeyApple said:
It'll require completely different legal arguments this time.
Unfortunately, pretty much all the devolved centres have become extreme left hubs and the 'clean air' path is the fastest way to deliver total vehicle monitoring, vehicle taxation, big revenue increases and the end of private vehicle ownership.
Pre Covid you'd have thought yourself mad to think that owner a car fell into the 'property is theft' mantra but among some people the freedom of movement is the freedom of thinking and the freedom from oppression.
No one in their right minds doesn't want urban air to be as clean as it can be and reducing congestion and switching to EV are very sensible objectives but that's not what the devolved centres are up to. The initial implementation of the road charging infrastructure is just the stepping stone to the final solution.
It's going to be quite interesting to see why of these centres survive such radical political restructuring and which end up bust.
One imagines that London will do fine as there is the eternal revenue of business but we can already see Wales and Scotland faltering as it's too easy for businesses to relocate or not locate in the first instance than deal with the issues.
I suspect Birmingham and Bristol will be OK also but Manchester seems too small and already build on an immensely weak foundation of debt. One sometimes wonders if the only thing holding up the house of cards is having 22 football players instead of 11?
Manchester seems too small?Unfortunately, pretty much all the devolved centres have become extreme left hubs and the 'clean air' path is the fastest way to deliver total vehicle monitoring, vehicle taxation, big revenue increases and the end of private vehicle ownership.
Pre Covid you'd have thought yourself mad to think that owner a car fell into the 'property is theft' mantra but among some people the freedom of movement is the freedom of thinking and the freedom from oppression.
No one in their right minds doesn't want urban air to be as clean as it can be and reducing congestion and switching to EV are very sensible objectives but that's not what the devolved centres are up to. The initial implementation of the road charging infrastructure is just the stepping stone to the final solution.
It's going to be quite interesting to see why of these centres survive such radical political restructuring and which end up bust.
One imagines that London will do fine as there is the eternal revenue of business but we can already see Wales and Scotland faltering as it's too easy for businesses to relocate or not locate in the first instance than deal with the issues.
I suspect Birmingham and Bristol will be OK also but Manchester seems too small and already build on an immensely weak foundation of debt. One sometimes wonders if the only thing holding up the house of cards is having 22 football players instead of 11?
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