Rationing may be the key to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
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Heard this on 5 Live 'in my opinion' this morning.
Everyone has their own personal lines in the sand and if this is ever seriously proposed as a policy option without addressing the massive elephants in the room of China, India and even Germany with their coal burning then I shall be donning my 'down with the WEF' t-shirt and hitting the streets.
Absolute lunacy IMHO.
Everyone has their own personal lines in the sand and if this is ever seriously proposed as a policy option without addressing the massive elephants in the room of China, India and even Germany with their coal burning then I shall be donning my 'down with the WEF' t-shirt and hitting the streets.
Absolute lunacy IMHO.
In the end this is going to be determined by public opinion.
Right now, I see a lot of people who would embrace quite significant restrictions on their lives in support of net-zero. It worries me that lazy, unimaginative politicians will exploit that as a short cut, because fixing the big issues is difficult, net zero commitments are legally binding and ‘safety’ is a legitimate reason to restrict rights.
I don’t know how this is going to unfold, but I do think it is likely that this sort of discussion will continue and that over time we will accept rationing or limitation of certain things.
Right now, I see a lot of people who would embrace quite significant restrictions on their lives in support of net-zero. It worries me that lazy, unimaginative politicians will exploit that as a short cut, because fixing the big issues is difficult, net zero commitments are legally binding and ‘safety’ is a legitimate reason to restrict rights.
I don’t know how this is going to unfold, but I do think it is likely that this sort of discussion will continue and that over time we will accept rationing or limitation of certain things.
Earthdweller said:
Elysium said:
In the end this is going to be determined by public opinion.
Right now, I see a lot of people who would embrace quite significant restrictions on their lives in support of net-zero.
Really ?Right now, I see a lot of people who would embrace quite significant restrictions on their lives in support of net-zero.
I’d have said the exact opposite, and increasingly so
vikingaero said:
Those who are wealthy enough will always be able to dodge this. For example, converting plane travel to "essential business travel" and tacking on a holiday onto it. What's to stop me buying up other peoples fuel credits?
Thats the idea the EU had for carbon credits. Poor people can sell their credits to rich people so they can buy essentials and rich people can continue to do what they want... Also wasn't the idea food rationing just a conspiracy when mentioned a year or so ago....
Edited by J210 on Wednesday 22 February 10:05
https://phys.org/news/2023-02-rationing-fairer-cli...
"The academics identified two options for rationing policy. Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance, giving out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage. Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods, such as flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing."
CT's gonna have a field day with this one.
"The academics identified two options for rationing policy. Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance, giving out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage. Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods, such as flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing."
CT's gonna have a field day with this one.
RichTT said:
https://phys.org/news/2023-02-rationing-fairer-cli...
"The academics identified two options for rationing policy. Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance, giving out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage. Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods, such as flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing."
CT's gonna have a field day with this one.
CT alert. "The academics identified two options for rationing policy. Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance, giving out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage. Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods, such as flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing."
CT's gonna have a field day with this one.
How would your 'carbon usage' be tracked though, surely you'd need some sort of digital ID perhaps? Let's see what Uncle Tony thinks...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64729442
Ivan stewart said:
Earthdweller said:
Elysium said:
In the end this is going to be determined by public opinion.
Right now, I see a lot of people who would embrace quite significant restrictions on their lives in support of net-zero.
Really ?Right now, I see a lot of people who would embrace quite significant restrictions on their lives in support of net-zero.
I’d have said the exact opposite, and increasingly so
As an example, British Steel shutting down a coke plant due to £190m uptick in energy/carbon costs....
They are going to import the coke they need now... So how the f
k does that help the global environment, whilst putting a few hundred people out of work here....
There is no globally joined up thinking on this... But we seem intent on virtue signalling of the highest order.
They are going to import the coke they need now... So how the f
k does that help the global environment, whilst putting a few hundred people out of work here....There is no globally joined up thinking on this... But we seem intent on virtue signalling of the highest order.
LeighW said:
CT alert.
How would your 'carbon usage' be tracked though, surely you'd need some sort of digital ID perhaps? Let's see what Uncle Tony thinks...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64729442
No, they'd have to introduce something really dystopian and oppressive like a digital currency you could program. How would your 'carbon usage' be tracked though, surely you'd need some sort of digital ID perhaps? Let's see what Uncle Tony thinks...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64729442
That would be really bad for everyone.
105.4 said:
You will own NOTHING and YOU WILL be happy !
And yet are an alarming number of people who think that this is either a very good thing, or a tinfoil hat, far-right conspiracy.
Indeed.And yet are an alarming number of people who think that this is either a very good thing, or a tinfoil hat, far-right conspiracy.
Must admit I do have a feeling of frog boiling about the whole thing, especially when you see the surveillance society of China and the technology that goes with it.
Then I think that could never happen here as I stand next to a self service till at the supermarket looking at myself on the screen.
I dream of getting off to a little Greek island and living in a '60s timewarp.
One academic thinks something, which is then extrapolated to the absolute worse case scenario which is then argued against - welcome to PH.
Since Covid, PH seems to have become a hotbed of CT bed-wetters who are scared of 'them' and their 'nefarious plans'.
Do we really need another thread for the CTers to argue on? Can't the mods just form a single 'I'm scared of things I don't understand' thread and shut down all the bks ones?
Since Covid, PH seems to have become a hotbed of CT bed-wetters who are scared of 'them' and their 'nefarious plans'.
Do we really need another thread for the CTers to argue on? Can't the mods just form a single 'I'm scared of things I don't understand' thread and shut down all the b
ks ones?Murph7355 said:
I tend to agree. Which is why most of the strictures thus far have been indirect/stealthy (how many people know how much their utility bills are impacted by green levies etc?).
I booked some flights recently, they were ridiculously expensive, compared with comparable trips 5-10 years ago. My wife put loads of effort into finding cheaper options because they were daft prices. Got to the end of the process and it was only right at the very end that the price was broken down to show why. The tax on the flight was the amount that those flights used to be, so there was never going to be a cheap flight. Then there was VAT on top of the lot. Every flight booked creates a new soldier in the fight. This isn't going to end well.
BigMon said:
Heard this on 5 Live 'in my opinion' this morning.
Everyone has their own personal lines in the sand and if this is ever seriously proposed as a policy option without addressing the massive elephants in the room of China, India and even Germany with their coal burning then I shall be donning my 'down with the WEF' t-shirt and hitting the streets.
Absolute lunacy IMHO.
Indeed so. The daft idea would be self defeating as many drivers would then buy an older banger to get an extra ration.Maybe also a scruffy old ‘classic’ which could be driven legally without tax or MOT. This would be a cheap solution I’m not thinking here about those who are lucky enough to have several good cars!Everyone has their own personal lines in the sand and if this is ever seriously proposed as a policy option without addressing the massive elephants in the room of China, India and even Germany with their coal burning then I shall be donning my 'down with the WEF' t-shirt and hitting the streets.
Absolute lunacy IMHO.
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