Welsh govt has axed all the country's major road building

Welsh govt has axed all the country's major road building

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Rolls-canardley

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118 posts

39 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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The Welsh government putting a stop to all the country's major road-building projects to put environmental concerns first.......your thoughts?

MikeM6

5,506 posts

117 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I saw this yesterday, I'd like to see the evidence they based their decision on, but initial instinct is that this seems incredibly misguided.

DonkeyApple

62,387 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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It's a country run by low calibre, hate filled, extremist provincial loons who are crushing the people for their own global glorification.

If they actually cared about the health of their wards then they'd obviously not have run their NHS into the ground, have educated their children suitably and increased the prosperity of the people. But none of those things will make you famous and make you feel like a world leader instead of the tin pot village councillor.

The fundamental issue with devolution is that these small nations where the brightest and best tend to leave in a never ending brain drain, insist on only recruiting leaders from their own, intellectually and competence depleted ranks. That's the issue with jingoism and erroneous nationalist fervour, it empowers the stupid and the uneducated. Even national sporting teams have understood that to get the best management you need to look beyond your own borders.

The Welsh people are being exploited and economically crippled just so they can clean the air in England a tiny, tiny bit.

dkatwa

573 posts

260 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I won't go to Wales again...simples, they will lose out economically........

bumskins

2,257 posts

30 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
It's a country run by low calibre, hate filled, extremist provincial loons who are crushing the people for their own global glorification.
I thought this thread was re: Welsh roads, not Scottish? confused

magic Monkey Dust

331 posts

51 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Sheffield city council have put some of the most divisive and stupid road changes in place to hinder the flow of traffic. Like Wales they hate and react rather than working with the communities they serve. We're all going back to mediaeval times and the best years of freedom are gone. Buy shares in a donkey farm now before the Welsh government mandate the grassing over of tarmac.

HammyHamster

394 posts

187 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
It's a country run by low calibre, hate filled, extremist provincial loons who are crushing the people for their own global glorification.

If they actually cared about the health of their wards then they'd obviously not have run their NHS into the ground, have educated their children suitably and increased the prosperity of the people. But none of those things will make you famous and make you feel like a world leader instead of the tin pot village councillor.

The fundamental issue with devolution is that these small nations where the brightest and best tend to leave in a never ending brain drain, insist on only recruiting leaders from their own, intellectually and competence depleted ranks. That's the issue with jingoism and erroneous nationalist fervour, it empowers the stupid and the uneducated. Even national sporting teams have understood that to get the best management you need to look beyond your own borders.

The Welsh people are being exploited and economically crippled just so they can clean the air in England a tiny, tiny bit.
As much as I agree with this, the argument is that the Welsh people vote in these loons.

Ardennes92

654 posts

95 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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HammyHamster said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's a country run by low calibre, hate filled, extremist provincial loons who are crushing the people for their own global glorification.

If they actually cared about the health of their wards then they'd obviously not have run their NHS into the ground, have educated their children suitably and increased the prosperity of the people. But none of those things will make you famous and make you feel like a world leader instead of the tin pot village councillor.

The fundamental issue with devolution is that these small nations where the brightest and best tend to leave in a never ending brain drain, insist on only recruiting leaders from their own, intellectually and competence depleted ranks. That's the issue with jingoism and erroneous nationalist fervour, it empowers the stupid and the uneducated. Even national sporting teams have understood that to get the best management you need to look beyond your own borders.

The Welsh people are being exploited and economically crippled just so they can clean the air in England a tiny, tiny bit.
As much as I agree with this, the argument is that the Welsh people vote in these loons.
The problem is not the people that vote but all those that don’t/CBA

MB140

4,596 posts

118 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Ardennes92 said:
The problem is not the people that vote but all those that don’t/CBA
I generally find in any kind of voting for people in politics it’s not that people can’t be arsed. It’s just all candidates are equally f**king useless. So what’s the point.

Those that could do the job well aren’t interested because all the other loons in politics/councils are bigoted, self centred tosspots, so good people ps off and do something else which is better paid for less hassle where they can actually achieve something without getting inundated in petty meetings about meeting rather than just doing something.

I’ve recently been watching Clarksons farm season 2. Now there is an example of a bigoted council with a clear agenda. Thankfully Clarkson has millions so can fight these wkers. I mean £500,000 in legal fees to fight a council to convert an empty lamb barn to a restaurant. Then the council go and put 2km worth of cones down the road outside the enterence to his shop so nobody can park on the road but deny him a right to build a car park.

Anyway rant over. The Welsh not building roads won’t bother me. I have no desire to ever go to wales and will avoid the whole place if possible.


Pica-Pica

15,171 posts

99 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I’m happy with the decision. The upkeep of existing roads is pretty good.

mac96

5,083 posts

158 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Pica-Pica said:
I’m happy with the decision. The upkeep of existing roads is pretty good.
As far as North and Central Wales are concerned I agree with this (don't really know South Wales); new roads often seem to mean vast expense to create a road less pleasant to drive on.
It is a bit odd though; North Wales is better connected to NW England than it is to South Wales, and same for South Wales and Bristol- London. So I thought there was a political desire to connect North and South Wales better . Perhaps by dualling A470.
Glad it's not happening though.

SimonTheSailor

12,774 posts

243 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Rolls-canardley said:
The Welsh government putting a stop to all the country's major road-building projects to put environmental concerns first.......your thoughts?
What are your thoughts ?

robscot

2,506 posts

205 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
Even national sporting teams have understood that to get the best management you need to look beyond your own borders.
Eh? Most successful football team for Wales ever... and have to go back to mid 90s for non-Welsh manager, and Bobby Gould was from that exotic place of Coventry, and people thought he was st.



As for the roads, isnt the argument they dont have any cash to spend even if they wanted to do the roads so the whole thing isn't a real debate?

Byker28i

74,808 posts

232 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Newport bypass was Drakefords doing, now thats really needed. Rediculous having 8 plus mile tailbacks caused by the tunnel

Smint

2,352 posts

50 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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An alien watching the gradual destruction of the whole country (not just Wales) under the Uniparty over my lifetime would have come by now to the conclusion the people who elect them are mad, evidenced by constantly repeating the same experiment and continuing to expect a different result.


anonymous-user

69 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
It's a country run by low calibre, hate filled, extremist provincial loons who are crushing the people for their own global glorification.

If they actually cared about the health of their wards then they'd obviously not have run their NHS into the ground, have educated their children suitably and increased the prosperity of the people. But none of those things will make you famous and make you feel like a world leader instead of the tin pot village councillor.

The fundamental issue with devolution is that these small nations where the brightest and best tend to leave in a never ending brain drain, insist on only recruiting leaders from their own, intellectually and competence depleted ranks. That's the issue with jingoism and erroneous nationalist fervour, it empowers the stupid and the uneducated. Even national sporting teams have understood that to get the best management you need to look beyond your own borders.

The Welsh people are being exploited and economically crippled just so they can clean the air in England a tiny, tiny bit.
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I live in Wales and work in London/Hybrid and this is absolutely totally correct. Even not taking into account the very real brain drain it simply isn't possible from a population of 3million to build a government where loads of positions aren't filled by complete morons:

Half of them are on the other side to begin with, and half of them are of below average intelligence so you're left with a pool of 750,000 people to fish from. How many are interested in a career in farty regional politics, one in 10,000 (if that)?

You end up with double digit numbers of people who are on your side, aren't of below average intelligence, and have the slightest interest in working in your ridiculous jumped up county council "Assembly". No wonder it's a complete shower of st.

It's not like anyone from the opposition parties aren't tts too.

DonkeyApple

62,387 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Ardennes92 said:
HammyHamster said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's a country run by low calibre, hate filled, extremist provincial loons who are crushing the people for their own global glorification.

If they actually cared about the health of their wards then they'd obviously not have run their NHS into the ground, have educated their children suitably and increased the prosperity of the people. But none of those things will make you famous and make you feel like a world leader instead of the tin pot village councillor.

The fundamental issue with devolution is that these small nations where the brightest and best tend to leave in a never ending brain drain, insist on only recruiting leaders from their own, intellectually and competence depleted ranks. That's the issue with jingoism and erroneous nationalist fervour, it empowers the stupid and the uneducated. Even national sporting teams have understood that to get the best management you need to look beyond your own borders.

The Welsh people are being exploited and economically crippled just so they can clean the air in England a tiny, tiny bit.
As much as I agree with this, the argument is that the Welsh people vote in these loons.
The problem is not the people that vote but all those that don’t/CBA
And all those who left and tend to be among the smarter and harder working.

Lucky_Jim

41 posts

55 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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You deserve what you vote for

mac96

5,083 posts

158 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
Ardennes92 said:
HammyHamster said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's a country run by low calibre, hate filled, extremist provincial loons who are crushing the people for their own global glorification.

If they actually cared about the health of their wards then they'd obviously not have run their NHS into the ground, have educated their children suitably and increased the prosperity of the people. But none of those things will make you famous and make you feel like a world leader instead of the tin pot village councillor.

The fundamental issue with devolution is that these small nations where the brightest and best tend to leave in a never ending brain drain, insist on only recruiting leaders from their own, intellectually and competence depleted ranks. That's the issue with jingoism and erroneous nationalist fervour, it empowers the stupid and the uneducated. Even national sporting teams have understood that to get the best management you need to look beyond your own borders.

The Welsh people are being exploited and economically crippled just so they can clean the air in England a tiny, tiny bit.
As much as I agree with this, the argument is that the Welsh people vote in these loons.
The problem is not the people that vote but all those that don’t/CBA
And all those who left and tend to be among the smarter and harder working.
And that many of their politicians, certainly at local level, have a readymade excuse for failure: It's all the fault of the English. Of course some things may be, but having this as in excuse is corrosive, it's similar to other failing governments picking arguments with other countries/looking for foreign policy 'successes' to try to pull their own people together behind them.

anonymous-user

69 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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mac96 said:
And that many of their politicians, certainly at local level, have a readymade excuse for failure: It's all the fault of the English. Of course some things may be, but having this as in excuse is corrosive, it's similar to other failing governments picking arguments with other countries/looking for foreign policy 'successes' to try to pull their own people together behind them.
Their favourite argument, although it's much worse in Scotland is that "yes we've been useless and fked things up with the powers we have, but the obvious solution to that is to give us MORE powers!"

Look at the SNPs laser focus on one issue and one issue only, they have no objectives beyond an increase in personal power and their odd attempts at pretending to govern are purely to provide some thin justification for that.