Hunters drag fox from den…

[anonymous-user]

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/23309299.ill...

They deserve jail but I’m sure the old boy networks have already kicked in…..

[vixen1700]

I'd get a ban for saying what I'd do to these scum if they were next to me in a pub, so I won't.

How is this still going on in this day and age? The whole country is sickened by it, yet they carry on regardless and no doubt will get away with no punishment at all as they normally do.

I despise these 'people'.

[thismonkeyhere]

Extraordinary f*ckwittery. Tell the world that you no longer hunt foxes, and are purely a trail hunt. Then film yourself hunting foxes and disseminate the footage. A whole new level of stupid.

As for the 'old boys' network, whether or not that exists and/or has kicked in, I'm not sure it could make much difference in the face of footage like this. People will be convicted over this, for sure. There's a good chance it'll be the end of the hunt in question, too.

Might see if I can pick up the hunt kennels for a song, they won't be needing them much longer. They're in a really nice spot.

[Randy Winkman]

What we need (are going to get) is a Labour government to give people like these a kicking.

[Biker 1]

I couldn't give a st about 'tradition' & the obnoxious type of people who appear to be involved in hunting - but just why the fk would someone want to traumatise animals in this way & then have them ripped apart by a pack of baying dogs?
Surely if there is a problem fox it can be dispatched pretty quickly with a shot gun?
Primitive wkers - I hope there is some meaningful punishment, but I wouldn't be surprised if this lot return to their stone age practices once all this has all been forgotten about in the media....

[J4CKO]

Jesus, digging a fox out of its den to throw to your dogs, not very sporting is it ?

Tradition my arse, used to hang draw and quarter people but we stopped that, used to have slavery but thats no longer in operation but tearing foxes apart.

I do think there is a bit of a class thing going on in the background, its generally "Toffs" that participate, or at least wealthy country folk and a lot see it like that, but really its just barbaric.

Wonder if they would consider it sport/tradition if someone was picking them off with a sniper rifle

I know foxes can be a pain in the arse but really, if you cant protect a few chickens from what is a small, wild orange dog then up your game.

I love seeing them scooting about when walking the dog at night, went into the kitchen a while back and flicked the light on and there was one on the fence and it just froze, beautiful animal. Seen some videos of people who have them coming to there house and are a bit tame, or raised them, they are so endearing, not sure why anyone wants to rip them apart ?

[julian64]

Biker 1 said:

I couldn't give a st about 'tradition' & the obnoxious type of people who appear to be involved in hunting - but just why the fk would someone want to traumatise animals in this way & then have them ripped apart by a pack of baying dogs?
Surely if there is a problem fox it can be dispatched pretty quickly with a shot gun?
Primitive wkers - I hope there is some meaningful punishment, but I wouldn't be surprised if this lot return to their stone age practices once all this has all been forgotten about in the media....

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

[vixen1700]

julian64 said:

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

Don't believe the hype:

https://forfoxsakewildlife.com/2021/01/07/foxes-do...

[Disastrous]

julian64 said:

Biker 1 said:

I couldn't give a st about 'tradition' & the obnoxious type of people who appear to be involved in hunting - but just why the fk would someone want to traumatise animals in this way & then have them ripped apart by a pack of baying dogs?
Surely if there is a problem fox it can be dispatched pretty quickly with a shot gun?
Primitive wkers - I hope there is some meaningful punishment, but I wouldn't be surprised if this lot return to their stone age practices once all this has all been forgotten about in the media....

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

Except the question was actually “why would someone want to…” not “what would want to…”

If the best defence you can summon for fox hunting is that the participants are no more sophisticated than the fox itself then I’m not sure it’s winner.

[Equus]

julian64 said:

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

It's closer to the definition of a domestic cat: I've never seen a fox deliberatley tormenting its prey like a cat will. Yes, they will kill more than they can eat, if they are able, but if undisturbed and given the chance, they will then usually carry the excess off and bury it for later.

But just because it's in the nature of a wild animal to do something doesn't mean that it's OK for us to do it to them: we've become the dominant species on this planet and that position is only sustainable if we can exercise restraint and moderation in all sorts of ways.

Edited by Equus on Friday 10th February 10:39

[J4CKO]

julian64 said:

Biker 1 said:

I couldn't give a st about 'tradition' & the obnoxious type of people who appear to be involved in hunting - but just why the fk would someone want to traumatise animals in this way & then have them ripped apart by a pack of baying dogs?
Surely if there is a problem fox it can be dispatched pretty quickly with a shot gun?
Primitive wkers - I hope there is some meaningful punishment, but I wouldn't be surprised if this lot return to their stone age practices once all this has all been forgotten about in the media....

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

Er, a fox is a wild predator/scavenger, they will eat pretty much anything, which they do to survive, its difficult to say if they get any enjoyment out of it but for folk on horses with packs of hounds, they dont starve if they dont do it and you would hope they have some more brain power than a fox to puzzle that one out.

[Gecko1978]

It's stuff like this that is why hunting got banned thoes involved are their own worse enemy. I hope they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law

[TwigtheWonderkid]

julian64 said:

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

Foxes DO NOT kill for fun. Complete nonsense.

[Biker 1]

julian64 said:

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

I very much doubt foxes do it 'for fun'. I live out in the sticks on the edge of a farm & there are a couple of regular foxes around. As far as I know, they go for easy prey, such as the neighbours chickens, & bury what they can't eat.
Meanwhile, how long does it take to excavate the fox den? What a stty way to die: dug up, traumatised, then torn apart....
There's a reason for decent animal welfare conditions.

[crankedup5]

vixen1700 said:

I'd get a ban for saying what I'd do to these scum if they were next to me in a pub, so I won't.

How is this still going on in this day and age? The whole country is sickened by it, yet they carry on regardless and no doubt will get away with no punishment at all as they normally do.

I despise these 'people'.

Fully agreed.

[Randy Winkman]

The one good thing that will come out of this is stricter regulation and then more angry fox hunters complaining. As I said above, even if the current Govt don't do it, Labour will and it will be even worse for the hunters and have them in even more of a rage. Is "Gammon" an OK word for angry fox hunters on account of their red jackets?

[Zoon]

I saw the footage and it made me feel sick.
Disgraceful behaviour.

[vixen1700]

Randy Winkman said:

The one good thing that will come out of this is stricter regulation and then more angry fox hunters complaining. As I said above, even if the current Govt don't do it, Labour will and it will be even worse for the hunters and have them in even more of a rage. Is "Gammon" an OK word for angry fox hunters on account of their red jackets?

I prefer 's' to be honest.

[FourWheelDrift]

The police will sort them out....oh not wait...they probably won't.

https://twitter.com/LancsHuntSabs/status/162337809...

[julian64]

vixen1700 said:

julian64 said:

Just as a counter point. The answer to your question 'What would want to traumatise animals and rip them apart for fun'. Well that's almost the very definition of a fox I'm afraid.

Don't believe the hype:

https://forfoxsakewildlife.com/2021/01/07/foxes-do...

Unfortunately I don't have to google to know the mind of a fox.
I've had chickens for the last 17 years. Its a constant fight to keep them away. They are intelligent, tireless and voracious predators.

If a fox gets into the chicken enclosure it will kill everything, it leaves birds with a chunk taken out of them, wingless, legless, you name it. And it does all of this simply to take one bird away to eat, and sometimes not even to do that. If I find out where it has taken it I usually dig them out , only because the fox seems to like keeping the bird alive to torture it and it seems unnecessarily cruel to me. Last time I did that I found a small bunny that was still alive with no rear leg. The Fox usually runs off, only to return a few weeks later in a new place. I bought a fox trap, which trapped a rather big fox within 24 hours (obvously not that bright) but my wife (who is actually the person who keeps the chickens) didn't want to harm it, and let it go, followed by turning my fox trap into one of those obelisks that contain stones.

I guess its all nature and what the fox has been designed to do. After all to be a good killer you have to have a fascination with your prey.
I don't blame the fox, but when people start suggesting the fox is a fluffy wuffy victim they are pretty much idiots. Hunts were designed to cull a population in an area of livestock, and I can understand that.

I would add that I have never taken part in a hunt , and never would I, as the people who do seem a bit sad to me. But its also a bit hypocritical to go postal on country folk who do take part in hunts and then expect your chicken nuggets to arrive on time for your dinner.

Perhaps the answer here is to encourage the country folk to adopt new methods for reducing teh populations of foxes near livestock. Any ideas anyone?