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Supermarkets ban ‘Elf Bars’ due to having double the advertised nicotine levels.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/morrisons...
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-02-07/supermarkets-s...
I see so many kids use these, im shocked how unregulated these are. I see Morrisons have an entire shelf dedicated to these in the store, not behind a counter like tobacco.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/morrisons...
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-02-07/supermarkets-s...
I see so many kids use these, im shocked how unregulated these are. I see Morrisons have an entire shelf dedicated to these in the store, not behind a counter like tobacco.
As a side note...I find it disgusting that these things are disposable. They contain small plastic parts, a little circuit, a metal shell and heater, plus...a fully rechargeable, reusable Lithium polymer battery (550mAh).
These things are just thrown away, or more often than not, dropped on the pavement.
The good thing is that these batteries can be used for many projects. I make battery packs from them for my RC models. But the majority get discarded.
These things are just thrown away, or more often than not, dropped on the pavement.
The good thing is that these batteries can be used for many projects. I make battery packs from them for my RC models. But the majority get discarded.
Timothy Bucktu said:
As a side note...I find it disgusting that these things are disposable. They contain small plastic parts, a little circuit, a metal shell and heater, plus...a fully rechargeable, reusable Lithium polymer battery (550mAh).
These things are just thrown away, or more often than not, dropped on the pavement.
The good thing is that these batteries can be used for many projects. I make battery packs from them for my RC models. But the majority get discarded.
Last I saw it was a couple of million a week being thrown away. Vast amounts of lithium being landfilled.These things are just thrown away, or more often than not, dropped on the pavement.
The good thing is that these batteries can be used for many projects. I make battery packs from them for my RC models. But the majority get discarded.
What might work is having a, say, £1 deposit, but that would require retailers to give a toss.
I first started using E-Cigs about 15 years ago when they were cigarette looking things that glowed at the end when you inhaled. They were all you could get and were terrible - often burning out or cooking itself, and I would get a mouthful of liquid. Yuk!
Then the "vapes" came in and has created a whole new genre and movement. Vaping is exactly the same as e cigs really but now you can customise your machine and the amount of flavours is staggering.
Now they are cool to be seen with.
I have a Smok which is the size of a Zippo. My nephews think it's cool even though they don't even smoke!
All, without exception, made in China.
Ban the bloody things!
Popcorn lung anyone?
Then the "vapes" came in and has created a whole new genre and movement. Vaping is exactly the same as e cigs really but now you can customise your machine and the amount of flavours is staggering.
Now they are cool to be seen with.
I have a Smok which is the size of a Zippo. My nephews think it's cool even though they don't even smoke!
All, without exception, made in China.
Ban the bloody things!
Popcorn lung anyone?
The next few years will be interesting to see what gets uncovered about their impacts on health.
At least with cigarettes your lungs get a decent break between fags. With vapes it's almost like a respirator constantly filling your lungs with flavoured vapour.
My neighbour is a young guy, mid twenties. His vape must be welded to his hand. Even taking the bins out or in the garden. It's sad.
At least with cigarettes your lungs get a decent break between fags. With vapes it's almost like a respirator constantly filling your lungs with flavoured vapour.
My neighbour is a young guy, mid twenties. His vape must be welded to his hand. Even taking the bins out or in the garden. It's sad.
remedy said:
The next few years will be interesting to see what gets uncovered about their impacts on health.
At least with cigarettes your lungs get a decent break between fags. With vapes it's almost like a respirator constantly filling your lungs with flavoured vapour.
My neighbour is a young guy, mid twenties. His vape must be welded to his hand. Even taking the bins out or in the garden. It's sad.
The PPI, emissions and accident lawyers will add vaping to their resume:At least with cigarettes your lungs get a decent break between fags. With vapes it's almost like a respirator constantly filling your lungs with flavoured vapour.
My neighbour is a young guy, mid twenties. His vape must be welded to his hand. Even taking the bins out or in the garden. It's sad.
HAVE YOU VAPED? YOU COULD BE ENTITLED TO FAH-SANDS.
remedy said:
The next few years will be interesting to see what gets uncovered about their impacts on health.
At least with cigarettes your lungs get a decent break between fags. With vapes it's almost like a respirator constantly filling your lungs with flavoured vapour.
My neighbour is a young guy, mid twenties. His vape must be welded to his hand. Even taking the bins out or in the garden. It's sad.
Yep, it's the socially acceptable pacifier for the over 5sAt least with cigarettes your lungs get a decent break between fags. With vapes it's almost like a respirator constantly filling your lungs with flavoured vapour.
My neighbour is a young guy, mid twenties. His vape must be welded to his hand. Even taking the bins out or in the garden. It's sad.
I find it astonishing that a product that's been around for so long remains largely unregulated.
I think part of the problem is that there's no existing retail category for them. They're not tobacco, confectionary, medicinal or any other product type to which any existing regulatory controls can apply. Anyone can set up a shop and sell them with any restrictions imposed being those applied by the sellers themselves.
There's also a huge problem at the moment with the growing number of disposable vapes. The batteries are of a type that can easily catch fire and leech toxins into the environment.
It's a shame because the intent and effect of them is good. They are, by orders of magnitude, better than cigarettes (though not as good as nothing) and were it not for the t
ts that create Cumulonimbus Clouds with every exhale, we'd probably be able to vape in many indoor spaces than we are currently.
I think part of the problem is that there's no existing retail category for them. They're not tobacco, confectionary, medicinal or any other product type to which any existing regulatory controls can apply. Anyone can set up a shop and sell them with any restrictions imposed being those applied by the sellers themselves.
There's also a huge problem at the moment with the growing number of disposable vapes. The batteries are of a type that can easily catch fire and leech toxins into the environment.
It's a shame because the intent and effect of them is good. They are, by orders of magnitude, better than cigarettes (though not as good as nothing) and were it not for the t
ts that create Cumulonimbus Clouds with every exhale, we'd probably be able to vape in many indoor spaces than we are currently.Gareth79 said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
As a side note...I find it disgusting that these things are disposable. They contain small plastic parts, a little circuit, a metal shell and heater, plus...a fully rechargeable, reusable Lithium polymer battery (550mAh).
These things are just thrown away, or more often than not, dropped on the pavement.
The good thing is that these batteries can be used for many projects. I make battery packs from them for my RC models. But the majority get discarded.
Last I saw it was a couple of million a week being thrown away. Vast amounts of lithium being landfilled.These things are just thrown away, or more often than not, dropped on the pavement.
The good thing is that these batteries can be used for many projects. I make battery packs from them for my RC models. But the majority get discarded.
What might work is having a, say, £1 deposit, but that would require retailers to give a toss.
My 14 year old daughter goes through 2 a week, sometimes more.
I'd put a stop to the purchasing immediately, which is why she lives with her mother and has little to do with me.
I can't even tell where she buys them.
As mentioned in the article these are the high nicotine products intended to wean heavy smokers off cigarettes. Now we have teens who might never have smoked who are serious nicotine addicts.
I'd put a stop to the purchasing immediately, which is why she lives with her mother and has little to do with me.
I can't even tell where she buys them.
As mentioned in the article these are the high nicotine products intended to wean heavy smokers off cigarettes. Now we have teens who might never have smoked who are serious nicotine addicts.
I find the disposable ones very frustrating, and the cost mind blowingly daft
I have a vape. I have a decent size rechargeable battery (I believe I've owned 5 over the last 8 years) and a tank that uses coils. As I only use low wattage my coils last approx. 2 weeks (£10 for pack of 5) and my liquids cost £11 for 5 bottles - so an absolute maximum of £22 per month
Compared to cigarettes at £12 a pack the cost saving is huge and, though nothing would be a better option, I can honestly say that my breathing etc is better
It's the flavours that are the biggest issue IMO, making it "cool". I also agree that they should be regulated and it needs addressing by schools and retailers with regards to underage use.
We have an 18 year old - neither he or any of his mates that I know of have ever smoked. Every one of them vapes though!
I have a vape. I have a decent size rechargeable battery (I believe I've owned 5 over the last 8 years) and a tank that uses coils. As I only use low wattage my coils last approx. 2 weeks (£10 for pack of 5) and my liquids cost £11 for 5 bottles - so an absolute maximum of £22 per month
Compared to cigarettes at £12 a pack the cost saving is huge and, though nothing would be a better option, I can honestly say that my breathing etc is better
It's the flavours that are the biggest issue IMO, making it "cool". I also agree that they should be regulated and it needs addressing by schools and retailers with regards to underage use.
We have an 18 year old - neither he or any of his mates that I know of have ever smoked. Every one of them vapes though!
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