MPs should have better "redundancy packages"
Discussion
https://news.sky.com/story/mps-should-be-awarded-m...
This is definitely keeping me awake at night/ deterring me from being an MP... I wonder why the chair of the committee is so interested in this...
"According to the 37-page report titled Smoothing The Cliff Edge: Supporting MPs At Their Point of Departure From Elected Office, for MPs defeated at the 2019 general election, the median loss-of-office payment was £5,250 - equivalent to less than one month of their £84,144 salary.
The [cross party] committee found that Westminster's pay-outs compared poorly with comparable international democracies, with an ousted MP in German who has served for 18 years qualifying for £162,360 compensation.
Conservative MP Sir Charles Walker, who chairs the Commons Administration Committee, said:....
Sir Charles, who is standing down as an MP himself at the next election, after 15 years representing Broxbourne"
I mean we all get expenses, a second home, a gold plated pension, opportunity to work at least 1 other job at the same time, give mates / peers/ guy who runs the pub in the village contracts, the poor darlings, they should go on strike!
This is definitely keeping me awake at night/ deterring me from being an MP... I wonder why the chair of the committee is so interested in this...
"According to the 37-page report titled Smoothing The Cliff Edge: Supporting MPs At Their Point of Departure From Elected Office, for MPs defeated at the 2019 general election, the median loss-of-office payment was £5,250 - equivalent to less than one month of their £84,144 salary.
The [cross party] committee found that Westminster's pay-outs compared poorly with comparable international democracies, with an ousted MP in German who has served for 18 years qualifying for £162,360 compensation.
Conservative MP Sir Charles Walker, who chairs the Commons Administration Committee, said:....
Sir Charles, who is standing down as an MP himself at the next election, after 15 years representing Broxbourne"
I mean we all get expenses, a second home, a gold plated pension, opportunity to work at least 1 other job at the same time, give mates / peers/ guy who runs the pub in the village contracts, the poor darlings, they should go on strike!
Rivenink said:
Should be in line with the minimum of what all employees are entitled to after 2 years. 1 week pay for every year worked.
Or whatever the minimum is if I haven't remembered right.
All of their work conditions should be in line with the minimum protections all employees get.
Agreed, including pensions representative of other workers, subsidised bars will have to go too, of course, and they should have to actually turn up to work, which would be a shock to a few.Or whatever the minimum is if I haven't remembered right.
All of their work conditions should be in line with the minimum protections all employees get.
Contrarian view: MPs are paid nowhere near enough, and the overall proposition is in fact deeply unappealing for talented and capable people.
MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
Are they not more like workers taking a well paid fixed term contract job? Up to you to put a few quid aside while the sun shines.
" Loss of Office payment will be equal to double the statutory redundancy entitlement."
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/freedom-of-information/...
Current level seems adequate to me.
" Loss of Office payment will be equal to double the statutory redundancy entitlement."
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/freedom-of-information/...
Current level seems adequate to me.
brickwall said:
Contrarian view: MPs are paid nowhere near enough, and the overall proposition is in fact deeply unappealing for talented and capable people.
MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
They can claim for costs not allowed by most workers, they eat subsidised meals most firms no longer do this, they can employ friends (who might be other MPs family). Need some air pods put 2 pairs on expenses along with yout imac (Angela raynor who is deaf to be fair), thier full package is worth way more than the salary.MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
irc said:
Are they not more like workers taking a well paid fixed term contract job? Up to you to put a few quid aside while the sun shines.
" Loss of Office payment will be equal to double the statutory redundancy entitlement."
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/freedom-of-information/...
Current level seems adequate to me.
Given their generally poor attedance record plus their almost universally abysmal profiency at the job. If they were a 'nomal' employee they would be subject to more performance reviews than once every five years and be fired off within a probation period." Loss of Office payment will be equal to double the statutory redundancy entitlement."
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/freedom-of-information/...
Current level seems adequate to me.
andygo said:
Given their generally poor attedance record plus their almost universally abysmal profiency at the job. If they were a 'nomal' employee they would be subject to more performance reviews than once every five years and be fired off within a probation period.
Liz Truss turned up for Ukraine day today, apparently her first appearance Westminster since leaving the PM job, her predecessor isn't bothering either (not that that will be a surprise), total contempt for the people paying their wages.Gecko1978 said:
brickwall said:
Contrarian view: MPs are paid nowhere near enough, and the overall proposition is in fact deeply unappealing for talented and capable people.
MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
They can claim for costs not allowed by most workers, they eat subsidised meals most firms no longer do this, they can employ friends (who might be other MPs family). Need some air pods put 2 pairs on expenses along with yout imac (Angela raynor who is deaf to be fair), thier full package is worth way more than the salary.MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
brickwall said:
No question their package is worth far more than their salary, and I agree with you there are still some bonkers anomalies in their employment set-up (ability to employ family members and subsidised bars included).
But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
We pay our politicians a pittance and then wonder why politics doesnt attract talented people.But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
Instead of the current situation, we should move to;
Backbenchers = £250k pa
PUS/PPS = £350k
MoS = £500k
Cabinet members/AAC ministers/Leader of the opposition = £750k
Home Sec/Foreign Sec/Chancellor = £850k
PM = £1m
brickwall said:
Gecko1978 said:
brickwall said:
Contrarian view: MPs are paid nowhere near enough, and the overall proposition is in fact deeply unappealing for talented and capable people.
MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
They can claim for costs not allowed by most workers, they eat subsidised meals most firms no longer do this, they can employ friends (who might be other MPs family). Need some air pods put 2 pairs on expenses along with yout imac (Angela raynor who is deaf to be fair), thier full package is worth way more than the salary.MPs are paid £84,144. That’s less than a newly-minted associate in a City law firm, less than a consultant doctor, and less than a lot of secondary headteachers.
They can claim up to £22,920 per year (£1,910 per month) to rent a property in London - so they can attend Parliament. If they choose to stay in a hotel instead the cost is capped at £190 per night. Travel costs are capped at the price of an economy fare.
This is a pretty atrocious deal compared to the top graduate schemes, let alone the packages offered for seasoned talented individuals. And that’s before considering the public abuse, media digging and frankly personal danger you’ll be exposed to.
Everyone complaining about the poor quality of many politicians - to which I would observe that if you pay peanuts you ought not be surprised when you get monkeys.
But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
Free lunch is rare, breakfast I have known one or two places but again rare. Away days are really thing of the past. Taxis yes had them if working part 9pm, gym you always paid for an many banks got rid to save money. Xmas parties (I don't go) became much more muted post the GFC and during covid ended for us not for MPs it seems.
My view is they are paid well, the very best earn a lot more as ministers etc. But most are average at best an many worse Jaeed O Mara being an example.
So no limit redundancy make them work to rules they apply to us. Why because if rules are just for the many they are just for MPs especially thoes about to be kicked out
Rivenink said:
Should be in line with the minimum of what all employees are entitled to after 2 years. 1 week pay for every year worked.
Or whatever the minimum is if I haven't remembered right.
All of their work conditions should be in line with the minimum protections all employees get.
BUt they are not employees, they are self employed.Or whatever the minimum is if I haven't remembered right.
All of their work conditions should be in line with the minimum protections all employees get.
ClaphamGT3 said:
brickwall said:
No question their package is worth far more than their salary, and I agree with you there are still some bonkers anomalies in their employment set-up (ability to employ family members and subsidised bars included).
But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
We pay our politicians a pittance and then wonder why politics doesnt attract talented people.But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
Instead of the current situation, we should move to;
Backbenchers = £250k pa
PUS/PPS = £350k
MoS = £500k
Cabinet members/AAC ministers/Leader of the opposition = £750k
Home Sec/Foreign Sec/Chancellor = £850k
PM = £1m
Rivenink said:
Should be in line with the minimum of what all employees are entitled to after 2 years. 1 week pay for every year worked.
Or whatever the minimum is if I haven't remembered right.
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Would have to agree here. The pay isn't that great for the role, and should likely be increased, but if all the add-ons were limited to what the ordinary worker would get we might see some movement on inadequate payments that we receive, such as the level of statutory redundancy pay. Or whatever the minimum is if I haven't remembered right.
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Edited by JagLover on Thursday 9th February 06:38
Why pay them more?
Already they set their own terms and conditions with very little public oversight and the oversight in place has very blunt teeth.
When compared to other professions,the professions have a trail of years of training,learning and on the job experience.
To be a politician you need to convince the populace you’re a good bet and that’s it!
Already they set their own terms and conditions with very little public oversight and the oversight in place has very blunt teeth.
When compared to other professions,the professions have a trail of years of training,learning and on the job experience.
To be a politician you need to convince the populace you’re a good bet and that’s it!
Why pay them more?
Already they set their own terms and conditions with very little public oversight and the oversight in place has very blunt teeth.
When compared to other professions,the professions have a trail of years of training,learning and on the job experience.
To be a politician you need to convince the populace you’re a good bet and that’s it!
Already they set their own terms and conditions with very little public oversight and the oversight in place has very blunt teeth.
When compared to other professions,the professions have a trail of years of training,learning and on the job experience.
To be a politician you need to convince the populace you’re a good bet and that’s it!
ClaphamGT3 said:
brickwall said:
No question their package is worth far more than their salary, and I agree with you there are still some bonkers anomalies in their employment set-up (ability to employ family members and subsidised bars included).
But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
We pay our politicians a pittance and then wonder why politics doesnt attract talented people.But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
Instead of the current situation, we should move to;
Backbenchers = £250k pa
PUS/PPS = £350k
MoS = £500k
Cabinet members/AAC ministers/Leader of the opposition = £750k
Home Sec/Foreign Sec/Chancellor = £850k
PM = £1m
Nick Leeson took down a bank and got time in prison
Truss and Kwarteng perform a similar feat and get nothing
pablo said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
brickwall said:
No question their package is worth far more than their salary, and I agree with you there are still some bonkers anomalies in their employment set-up (ability to employ family members and subsidised bars included).
But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
We pay our politicians a pittance and then wonder why politics doesnt attract talented people.But again - look at what’s on offer compared to the most desirable/prestigious professional jobs - it’s not uncommon in those places to have
- Completely free meals; breakfast and lunch in a free canteen and a generous expense allowance if working late
- Free on-site gyms, team-building away days, dinners, parties
- Generous rules on travel - taxis if working late or starting early, business class flights, first class trains, 5-star hotels
- Unlimited access to whatever IT kit you wanted. Screens, headphones, printers, phones, laptops, etc. One place I worked would even courier a coffee machine to your client site if you asked nicely
- Salaries way in excess of £84k
I’m not saying this is what we should be giving MPs, but it is what other employers are offering talented people. If you’re worried about giving an MP a set of AirPods, you’re worrying about the wrong things.
Instead of the current situation, we should move to;
Backbenchers = £250k pa
PUS/PPS = £350k
MoS = £500k
Cabinet members/AAC ministers/Leader of the opposition = £750k
Home Sec/Foreign Sec/Chancellor = £850k
PM = £1m
Nick Leeson took down a bank and got time in prison
Truss and Kwarteng perform a similar feat and get nothing
Give the parliamentary watchdog some real teeth so the bottom performing 5% or 10% get sacked just before the summer recess and hold by elections over the summer to find their replacements.
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