Confused - Tate Modern / Neo bankside ruling

Confused - Tate Modern / Neo bankside ruling

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Some Gump

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12,848 posts

192 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64481...



News article summary: Owners of those glass flats have won in court that the Tate are encroaching on their privacy.


It at least appears to me, as an uneducated person, that someone built some daft flats with glass walls next to an existing building, and now can complain about lack of privacy.

Is that madness? It sounds like those people that move in to newbuilds next to airports / race tracks / local music venue / whatever then complain about the noise, which was there for >20 years before planning was even granted for their house!

Have I got the total wrong end of the stick? I mean I "get" that this area of the Tate building might have not been used the same way before 2016, but surely if you value privacy you don't buy a house with walls made out of 100% glass?

PurplePangolin

3,173 posts

39 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Some Gump said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64481...



News article summary: Owners of those glass flats have won in court that the Tate are encroaching on their privacy.


It at least appears to me, as an uneducated person, that someone built some daft flats with glass walls next to an existing building, and now can complain about lack of privacy.

Is that madness? It sounds like those people that move in to newbuilds next to airports / race tracks / local music venue / whatever then complain about the noise, which was there for >20 years before planning was even granted for their house!

Have I got the total wrong end of the stick? I mean I "get" that this area of the Tate building might have not been used the same way before 2016, but surely if you value privacy you don't buy a house with walls made out of 100% glass?
They could give Hillary’s blinds a call….

ecs

1,285 posts

176 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Neo Bankside was built in 2012, the viewing platform was built in 2016.

Collectingbrass

2,353 posts

201 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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ecs said:
Neo Bankside was built in 2012, the viewing platform was built in 2016.
There's also the question (which the court case turned on) as to why an art gallery needed an external viewing capability. Why the Tate didn't solve this at planning and design with shielding, or even an alternative location for it is beyond me. The whole thing smacks of arrogance.

PF62

4,065 posts

179 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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ecs said:
Neo Bankside was built in 2012, the viewing platform was built in 2016.
Although didn’t the Tate have approved planning permission for the viewing platform long before the developers of Neo Bankside applied for theirs.

z4RRSchris

11,477 posts

185 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Tate extension was 2009 consent.


Timothy Bucktu

15,595 posts

206 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Having been on that viewing platform...I can see the homeowners point...you do get a prime view of their living rooms. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't choose to live there myself.

ecs

1,285 posts

176 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Collectingbrass said:
ecs said:
Neo Bankside was built in 2012, the viewing platform was built in 2016.
There's also the question (which the court case turned on) as to why an art gallery needed an external viewing capability. Why the Tate didn't solve this at planning and design with shielding, or even an alternative location for it is beyond me. The whole thing smacks of arrogance.
I think the closing statements make compete sense to me. If they want a viewing platform, point it at the Thames rather than someone's home?

Tate are appealing the decision.

(Was unaware of the timings of the planning applications)

Ian Geary

4,701 posts

198 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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The article (and judge) summed it up well

It doesn't matter what each party thought the other was thinking when making planning applications


A viewing gallery that has a view directly into these homes is not normal usage of a property, so is a planning matter.

I wonder what the high court will do with it second time round?

It was quite close too: 3 vs 2.

The original suggestion in the (now overturned) high court was to simply get net curtains . Yet I doubt someone who put down £2.5m on a flat with floor to ceiling views of the Thames really had net curtains in mind...

dandarez

13,401 posts

289 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Solved!



getmecoat

Diderot

7,961 posts

198 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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dandarez said:
Solved!



getmecoat
laugh

Newc

1,992 posts

188 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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And citing 700 year old case law.

I have the impression that barristers live for the day they can pop up in court with "and now my lord if I may refer you to the important precedent of 1341 in the Crown vs Mrs Miggins".

gareth_r

5,924 posts

243 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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Newc said:
And citing 700 year old case law.

I have the impression that barristers live for the day they can pop up in court with "and now my lord if I may refer you to the important precedent of 1341 in the Crown vs Mrs Miggins".
That's the best part of this story

According to the BBC, ...the law partly dates back to the 14th Century. The Supreme Court notes that back in 1341, John Le Leche, a London fishmonger, unlawfully erected a "watch-tower" from which he could peep on his neighbours.

mikey_b

2,067 posts

51 months

Wednesday 1st February 2023
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gareth_r said:
That's the best part of this story

According to the BBC, ...the law partly dates back to the 14th Century. The Supreme Court notes that back in 1341, John Le Leche, a London fishmonger, unlawfully erected a "watch-tower" from which he could peep on his neighbours.
Yep, his name checks out…

LivingTheDream

1,760 posts

185 months

Thursday 2nd February 2023
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I used to walk past these all the time and it always struck me as odd, even the first floor flats are full height glass - you can see right in from street level

google street view

Castrol for a knave

5,203 posts

97 months

Thursday 2nd February 2023
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gareth_r said:
Newc said:
And citing 700 year old case law.

I have the impression that barristers live for the day they can pop up in court with "and now my lord if I may refer you to the important precedent of 1341 in the Crown vs Mrs Miggins".
That's the best part of this story

According to the BBC, ...the law partly dates back to the 14th Century. The Supreme Court notes that back in 1341, John Le Leche, a London fishmonger, unlawfully erected a "watch-tower" from which he could peep on his neighbours.
I love planning law (I trained as Planner loooong ago). It's almost as much fun a Rating law for sheer nerdery and minutiae.

Richard-390a0

2,486 posts

97 months

Thursday 2nd February 2023
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I'd suggest buying blinds or not living in a city centre if you don't want to be overlooked lol

Derek Smith

46,336 posts

254 months

Thursday 2nd February 2023
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gareth_r said:
Newc said:
And citing 700 year old case law.

I have the impression that barristers live for the day they can pop up in court with "and now my lord if I may refer you to the important precedent of 1341 in the Crown vs Mrs Miggins".
That's the best part of this story

According to the BBC, ...the law partly dates back to the 14th Century. The Supreme Court notes that back in 1341, John Le Leche, a London fishmonger, unlawfully erected a "watch-tower" from which he could peep on his neighbours.
It matters not how old a decision is. In the 70s, the police prosecuted their own cases in magistrates court and I took to court someone who criminally damaged a parking meter citing a decision that went against a Luddite demonstrator who hid the key required to start a machine. It was on a principle on what defines damage. It was as relevant now as it was then, so the age of the decision, in my case back to the 19thC, is of no account.

I lived for the day when I could correct a poorly-prepared, despite being rather expensive, defence brief. Such occurrences are what police dreams are made of.

Jonmx

2,620 posts

219 months

Thursday 2nd February 2023
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Derek Smith said:
I lived for the day when I could correct a poorly-prepared, despite being rather expensive, defence brief. Such occurrences are what police dreams are made of.
In the same way the smug brief gets far too excited when the junior police officer states he could smell alcohol on the defendant's breath.....
The historic acts always were amusing, the Town and Police Clauses Act still being wheeled out regularly today.