Dame Ann Gloag charged with human trafficking offences

Dame Ann Gloag charged with human trafficking offences

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Mercdriver

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2,479 posts

39 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Am I the only one thinking this another police Scotland screw up? I find it hard to believe a 80 year old multi millionaire would be involved in human trafficking, especially as she is involved in a charity that tries to stop it.

The police must have reasons for charging her but really?

Chrisgr31

13,676 posts

261 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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t seems odd, and its also odd there is no other thread on here about it.

Mercdriver

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2,479 posts

39 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Yes, I thought so too, did a search but nothing came up, but search engine on ph not the best I struggle to find previous posts on a subject.

Sorry, not criticism of the moderators, I think the website is good, the red bar across your previous viewings is brilliant

Sheepshanks

34,510 posts

125 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Bearing in mind the work her charities do It’s easy enough to think of circumstances in which the law could have been breached, especially if they’ve played a bit fast and loose to get things done.

N111BJG

1,143 posts

69 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Although normally best to be taken with pinch of salt the Daily Mail on line says this about the matter

‘Sources claimed Dame Ann and her family are victims of ‘collusion’ by eight people who had concocted a ‘cock-and-bull story’. It is understood the claims were made by people brought to Scotland as part of her charity work.’


rodericb

7,088 posts

132 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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Interesting case.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/national/dame-ann-gl...

article said:
A source close to the family said those who made the allegations, believed to be a total six individuals, came to Scotland from a number of African countries through her charity, The Gloag Foundation, with a number staying at Kinfauns Castle near Perth and others located in the surrounding area

Randy Winkman

17,304 posts

195 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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Mercdriver said:
Yes, I thought so too, did a search but nothing came up, but search engine on ph not the best I struggle to find previous posts on a subject.

Sorry, not criticism of the moderators, I think the website is good, the red bar across your previous viewings is brilliant
This case was mentioned in the Michelle Mone thread on Saturday.

vikingaero

11,066 posts

175 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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Is is that surprising when we have Greek Refugee aid workers being charged with trafficking?


tim0409

4,791 posts

165 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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Mercdriver said:
Am I the only one thinking this another police Scotland screw up?
Police Scotland will have investigated but ultimately it would be the Procurator Fiscal/Crown Office (who themselves are not immune from screwing up) who would authorise charges; the whole thing is odd, and it’s probably the most surprising headline I’ve read in a very long time.

Sheepshanks

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125 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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tim0409 said:
Police Scotland will have investigated but ultimately it would be the Procurator Fiscal/Crown Office (who themselves are not immune from screwing up) who would authorise charges;
What's the process in Scotland? The article says they've been charged and a report will be sent to the Procurator Fiscal - as if they haven't been involved yet.

tim0409

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165 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
tim0409 said:
Police Scotland will have investigated but ultimately it would be the Procurator Fiscal/Crown Office (who themselves are not immune from screwing up) who would authorise charges;
What's the process in Scotland? The article says they've been charged and a report will be sent to the Procurator Fiscal - as if they haven't been involved yet.
You’re right to raise the point as I was mistaken in my earlier post; the police charge then a report is sent to the procurator fiscal, who will then decide whether or not to prosecute.

JuanCarlosFandango

8,179 posts

77 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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Call me cynical but I suspect this will be a showcase where she ends up being exonerated as a kindly and compassionate lady who bent the rules out of compassion, who has been attacked by a callous anti immigrant bureaucracy.

Sheepshanks

34,510 posts

125 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Call me cynical but I suspect this will be a showcase where she ends up being exonerated as a kindly and compassionate lady who bent the rules out of compassion, who has been attacked by a callous anti immigrant bureaucracy.
That was my first thought but there's a couple of reports that a number (the number varies in different reports) of people that her foundation brought here have complained. Wild guess - they're being expected to work and not being paid?

JuanCarlosFandango

8,179 posts

77 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
That was my first thought but there's a couple of reports that a number (the number varies in different reports) of people that her foundation brought here have complained. Wild guess - they're being expected to work and not being paid?
One doesn't really preclude the other!

Jasandjules

70,423 posts

235 months

Monday 23rd January 2023
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vikingaero said:
Is is that surprising when we have Greek Refugee aid workers being charged with trafficking?
Not to mention Jimmy Saville, Catholic Priests etc....

poo at Paul's

14,318 posts

181 months

Wednesday 25th January 2023
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Had a chance to read a bit of background on this, and I reckon it’s got some foundation and traction. I reckon there is a few charities a bit nervy, too.

Gareth79

7,978 posts

252 months

Wednesday 25th January 2023
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poo at Paul's said:
Had a chance to read a bit of background on this, and I reckon it’s got some foundation and traction. I reckon there is a few charities a bit nervy, too.
And some not, it seems. Two have come out in support, calling the allegations "malicious", although quite how they know that, who knows:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11662497/...

One thing is that charging seems to be different in Scotland - it mentions they were charged and a report has been sent to the Procurator Fiscal. In E&W the CPS decides whether an offence will be charged, after they have reviewed the evidence. However obviously the "charging" would have presumably gone to the highest levels.

poo at Paul's

14,318 posts

181 months

Thursday 26th January 2023
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Gareth79 said:
And some not, it seems. Two have come out in support, calling the allegations "malicious", although quite how they know that, who knows:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11662497/...

One thing is that charging seems to be different in Scotland - it mentions they were charged and a report has been sent to the Procurator Fiscal. In E&W the CPS decides whether an offence will be charged, after they have reviewed the evidence. However obviously the "charging" would have presumably gone to the highest levels.
Yes, two very similar looking (but differently named) charities refer to the malicious allegations, whilst ignoring the fact these are actual charges, as you say.
But some have gone very quiet on the subject…..