50Bn compensation for descendants of black slaves

50Bn compensation for descendants of black slaves

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gotoPzero

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18,042 posts

195 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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In San Francisco alone. Or around 5m per person. This would apparently fill the poverty gap but leave the city with a massive tax burden.

That's what the city of San Francisco is planning to do anyway.

It's been proposed that CA may pay every slave descendant around 200k. Given around 70% of all black Americans in CA are descended from slaves they would need to find hundreds of billions.

The problem is the Mexicans are not happy as most of CA was a land grab from Mexico so they are saying its actually nothing to do with the slave trade but Mexican persecution.

What a big mess!

It does seem that something will happen and they are currently proposing a new idea of a minimum income for any descendents of slaves of 100k a year.

I get that slaves were treated badly but I think a plan like this would be a.disaster for any sort of race relations for example the massive Hispanic community and a very large Asian community who have all faced severe hardships of one sort or another. That's before you even think about native Americans??

I also read that it looks like anyone who went to prison for minor drugs offences in the last 30 years may also be due compensation.

If this all happens I would not want to live in california for a while! I suspect inflation would be out of control and we would see race riots all over again.

Gecko1978

10,334 posts

163 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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gotoPzero said:
In San Francisco alone. Or around 5m per person. This would apparently fill the poverty gap but leave the city with a massive tax burden.

That's what the city of San Francisco is planning to do anyway.

It's been proposed that CA may pay every slave descendant around 200k. Given around 70% of all black Americans in CA are descended from slaves they would need to find hundreds of billions.

The problem is the Mexicans are not happy as most of CA was a land grab from Mexico so they are saying its actually nothing to do with the slave trade but Mexican persecution.

What a big mess!

It does seem that something will happen and they are currently proposing a new idea of a minimum income for any descendents of slaves of 100k a year.

I get that slaves were treated badly but I think a plan like this would be a.disaster for any sort of race relations for example the massive Hispanic community and a very large Asian community who have all faced severe hardships of one sort or another. That's before you even think about native Americans??

I also read that it looks like anyone who went to prison for minor drugs offences in the last 30 years may also be due compensation.

If this all happens I would not want to live in california for a while! I suspect inflation would be out of control and we would see race riots all over again.
I would file this under "things that won't ever happen"

Catastrophic Poo

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192 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Any link to the story?…

gotoPzero

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195 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Catastrophic Poo said:
Any link to the story?…
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/19/us/san-francisco-reparations-proposal-reaj/index.html

voyds9

8,489 posts

289 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Wonder how much Danny Glover will get

Surely to complete the circle they should all be returned back to Africa so they are put back in the position before they became slaves

JagLover

43,596 posts

241 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Interestingly, or not, California was not a "slave state". Slavery was officially banned there when it was admitted into the union in 1850. There are suggestions though that this was not particularly well enforced.

The committee in question has little power to start handing out billions i think.

gotoPzero

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195 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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It does seem like they are gearing up for something though, I highly doubt everyone will get millions, but I could see something.

Other cities have started physically giving out grants for things like mortgage deposits so something is going to happen IMHO.

I just feel its going to drive a wedge between the communities in places like LA.

I was only there a year ago and we had a couple of uncomfortable situations which I personally have never experienced anywhere else in the USA.



Newc

1,992 posts

188 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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brb, just filling in my reparations application forms to send to Rome, Denmark, Normandy, mongolia, and the Barbary Coast.

Hereward

4,334 posts

236 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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What about the indigenous American groups such a Sioux, Apache, Cherokee etc etc? They literally had their lands taken from them.

Mikebentley

6,551 posts

146 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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gotoPzero said:
It does seem like they are gearing up for something though, I highly doubt everyone will get millions, but I could see something.

Other cities have started physically giving out grants for things like mortgage deposits so something is going to happen IMHO.

I just feel its going to drive a wedge between the communities in places like LA.

I was only there a year ago and we had a couple of uncomfortable situations which I personally have never experienced anywhere else in the USA.

What uncomfortable situations? Genuinely interested. This idea of paying reparations to ancestors of events 150 + years ago is just nonsense.

Gogoplata

1,271 posts

166 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Hereward said:
What about the indigenous American groups such a Sioux, Apache, Cherokee etc etc? They literally had their lands taken from them.
They also owned slaves, so I guess they'll have to pay up.

CT05 Nose Cone

25,158 posts

233 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Gogoplata said:
Hereward said:
What about the indigenous American groups such a Sioux, Apache, Cherokee etc etc? They literally had their lands taken from them.
They also owned slaves, so I guess they'll have to pay up.
Shouldn't they be claiming from the descendants of the African tribes who supplied the slaves?

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

50 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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CT05 Nose Cone said:
Shouldn't they be claiming from the descendants of the African tribes who supplied the slaves?
I suspect (but can't prove) that it's more about getting money than righting historical wrongs, tbh.

Mrr T

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271 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Newc said:
brb, just filling in my reparations application forms to send to Rome, Denmark, Normandy, mongolia, and the Barbary Coast.
You should add Norway and Sweden. The viking where major slave owners and traders.

gotoPzero

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Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Mikebentley said:
What uncomfortable situations? Genuinely interested. This idea of paying reparations to ancestors of events 150 + years ago is just nonsense.
Argument over a seat on a tour bus - apparently we were being racist. Race had nothing to do with it they were just being rude and unreasonable.

And then in a restaurant in DTLA some guys made a comment when we were waiting for our coats to leave, basically saying we should get our own. According to the Mrs they had been giving us daggers all night, I had not noticed myself. They clearly overheard us talking to the waiter about being from the UK.

Even the mrs said she felt uncomfortable in LA. She is Irish and has very thick skin but she commented after we left that she would not be going back any time soon.

Jenny Tailor

1,727 posts

43 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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I'd play them this TV interview. Start there.

irc

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142 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Hereward said:
What about the indigenous American groups such a Sioux, Apache, Cherokee etc etc? They literally had their lands taken from them.
What about the tribes the Sioux stole their land from?

https://nebraskastudies.org/en/1850-1874/native-am...

It wasn't all sitting round camp fires singing Kumbya before whitey arrived.

Edited by irc on Sunday 22 January 16:15

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

50 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Jenny Tailor said:
I'd play them this TV interview. Start there.
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Octoposse

2,219 posts

191 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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There is a hint of a sensible policy hiding in there somewhere . . .

My Grandfather was a slave (labourer) from Christmas Day 1941 until the atomic bombings of Japan, and Soviet declaration of war, brought about the Japanese surrender.

I never met him (died five years before I was born), but it’s fairly straightforward to ascribe some of the chaos in my mother’s life (who I barely ever met) to this, and thence the impacts on my life.

That was FOUR years of effective slavery, and all with the memory of, and hope for, freedom / normality / choice / a pint and some pork scratchings.

What’s the impact of generation upon generation of slavery? So, if there are sensible proposals to aid societies, not individuals, as “reparation”, I’d listen.

But . . . the big contributions come from the likes of Richard Drax, and the other families still sitting on passed-down wealth accrued from slavery. Although, no doubt, the current political processes in the UK would endeavour to shift the costs to the poor!

redback911

2,788 posts

272 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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Jeez, would you have to prove your ancestry, if so, how? What is the amount per person, would it be the same for everyone? Obama thought slave reparations were a bad idea, why would Democrats want to bring this up again, it only gives fuel to the Republicans. America already fought a civil war over slavery, not a good time to start another one.