Digital ID consultation being implemented in December 2023
Discussion
I stubled accross this video earlier. It's regarding a Government 'consultation' for the introduction of digital ID's and sharing it accross all sorts of Government (including Councils). It looks like the thin edge of a potentially large wedge.
The presenter is very passionate about stopping it, but not sure how he, or anyone can prevent it unless the papers run with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx6vl3i-L4
The presenter is very passionate about stopping it, but not sure how he, or anyone can prevent it unless the papers run with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx6vl3i-L4
This isn't exactly a new thing even if he only just noticed, the invites for participants to take part in the trial version went out ages ago.
I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole because why would you? The actual system is probably quite good but I'm not really seeing the benefit for me.
I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole because why would you? The actual system is probably quite good but I'm not really seeing the benefit for me.
When you say "consultation", you mean "foregone conclusion". As always Cui Bono....
I am not sure what worries me more, the fact they are trying to do this or the fact that a loony friend who sees evil in the shadows of everything (and has his Zombie kit ready to go!) said this was coming.......
I am not sure what worries me more, the fact they are trying to do this or the fact that a loony friend who sees evil in the shadows of everything (and has his Zombie kit ready to go!) said this was coming.......
Jasandjules said:
When you say "consultation", you mean "foregone conclusion". As always Cui Bono....
I am not sure what worries me more, the fact they are trying to do this or the fact that a loony friend who sees evil in the shadows of everything (and has his Zombie kit ready to go!) said this was coming.......
Maybe you'll take your loony friend's theories on chemtrails and 5G seriously now I am not sure what worries me more, the fact they are trying to do this or the fact that a loony friend who sees evil in the shadows of everything (and has his Zombie kit ready to go!) said this was coming.......
andygo said:
There is the interesting point that the consultation says that they can add to the list of requirements and bodies that can see your info at any time, so an open ended cheque book for the Gov.
Not sure why we need this, let alone after the £47 billion wasted on track and trace/
It was "test, track and trace", and as I understand it, the costs won't be 47bn.Not sure why we need this, let alone after the £47 billion wasted on track and trace/
Maybe elements of tt&t might be facilitated in future with digital id?
PositronicRay said:
Love the idea of one ID to cover everything, issue a number from birth and keep just one number, for everything throughout your life.
Keeps it simple.
Indeed. The government already has all the information likely to be incorporated into an ID card system anyway (minus any biometrics data), so the only problem I have with it is the tens of £billions it will no doubt cost when they get ripped off by Serco, G4S, Sodexo, Craptia et al.Keeps it simple.
It depends how it gets used. If for example when I sign up to my ISP, then I'm required to validate with my Digital ID then there is an immediate and easy link. Or perhaps when I take out a phone contract ..
Yes the government can find out lots of information on you anyway, but having a unique ID means the linking of data is so much easier.
Paranoid perhaps, but it is not what you are doing today for today that matters but if something changes tomorrow and make something illegal they can very easily target people because of all that history.
Maybe a drug dealer is caught, get his phone number and then run it against a database to see who has been calling it. Yes, this can be down now but it is painful. Single ID, companies required to submit data it would take two seconds.
Do you really want the potential privacy creep?
Yes the government can find out lots of information on you anyway, but having a unique ID means the linking of data is so much easier.
Paranoid perhaps, but it is not what you are doing today for today that matters but if something changes tomorrow and make something illegal they can very easily target people because of all that history.
Maybe a drug dealer is caught, get his phone number and then run it against a database to see who has been calling it. Yes, this can be down now but it is painful. Single ID, companies required to submit data it would take two seconds.
Do you really want the potential privacy creep?
PositronicRay said:
Love the idea of one ID to cover everything, issue a number from birth and keep just one number, for everything throughout your life.
Keeps it simple.
Not that it adds a great deal to the debate, but this comment reminds me of this poem by Michael Flanders (written shortly before his death):Keeps it simple.
I was born at 0400 hours on 1/3/22
Somerset House was notified
'A little 7874322 (Column 159)
Baptism later certified
(Parish Register Page 183)
"I name this child...1242"
Our family lived variously at 33 NW8
73 NW8, 1 and 9 NW11
And gloriously, for a while, in a country cottage
National Grid reference TQ7024 (correct to one kilometre)
I passed my schooldays without much sense of identity
(Post Office Savings Book 1990-A)
In Lower and Upper 4ths, and 5ths and 6th
(Locker No. 23)
Was 12th man in the 1st Eleven and rowed at 7 in the Eight
September 3rd, 1939 - I was identified BIA 1526045
1941 - AB, RNVR, Red Division, Starboard Watch
PJX 276123
And here I am
Stamped, sealed and delivered
Passport No. 77922, F.O. London 23/2/66
National Insurance ZB 88 81 17B
Driving License 5Z/107206
Telephone Number 01-983-747747
To my doctor: BIA 1526045
To my banker: 37705873
To my union: B16776
VAT: 223 3869 66
And TIME/LIFE International (Amsterdam) Inc. addresses me as
Mr Flanders 581-101-L03-FLAN-063-M-992 but refers to me in
private as 400000 00840 - 1 00183N 06 S 29.
My days are numbered
The only reason I'd be against it is the cost.
ID Cards (physical, digital, or otherwise) have never really bothered me. I'm not sure what data of mine anybody would be interested in and I'd be surprised if somebody in one particular Govt department would get access to data that they didn't need.
ID Cards (physical, digital, or otherwise) have never really bothered me. I'm not sure what data of mine anybody would be interested in and I'd be surprised if somebody in one particular Govt department would get access to data that they didn't need.
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