Three dead in Paris shooting
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Three people are dead in an attack allegedly carried out by someone recently released after serving time for attacking migrants.
Three dead and three wounded in Paris shooting: 'Far-right racist' ex-train driver, 69, 'who attacked migrant camp with a SWORD a year ago' is arrested after hero cop 'grabs shooter's gun'
There are some utterly messed up people about.
Three dead and three wounded in Paris shooting: 'Far-right racist' ex-train driver, 69, 'who attacked migrant camp with a SWORD a year ago' is arrested after hero cop 'grabs shooter's gun'
There are some utterly messed up people about.
You wonder how someone with his track record was on the street in the first place. Must be very unusual for someone to be a suspect in two separate murders in 5 years and actually not be guilty of either. Not to mention going on some sort of rampage attacking people with a sword.
A truly dreadful event, but I think events like this (happily not many of them) just attract less attention when there is no obvious connection with an established terrorist group, and before they are formally declared to be terrorism.
A truly dreadful event, but I think events like this (happily not many of them) just attract less attention when there is no obvious connection with an established terrorist group, and before they are formally declared to be terrorism.
https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2015/01/falqs-terrorism-...
"The French Code pénal (Criminal Code) defines terrorism as a number of listed acts – including intentional homicide, assault, kidnapping, hijacking, theft, extortion, property destruction, membership in an illegal armed group, digital crimes, forgery, and more – carried out with the goal of “seriously disturbing public order through intimidation or terror.” Preparing to commit an act of terrorism, and seeking, obtaining, and keeping material to be used for an act of terrorism, is also considered an act of terrorism in and of itself. Intelligence gathering and training for the purpose of carrying out an act of terrorism also falls under that definition, as does the habitual access to websites that encourage or justify terrorism. (Code pénal, arts. 421-1 to 421-6.)"
That definition certainly seems to include this event; I suspect there is a formal process to go through before it is declared as such, but it looks obvious to me too.
Shocking stuff. The article reports two passers by intervened. Remarkable.
My knowledge of the French legal system is limited only to exposure to the tv series Engrenages so I won’t pretend to know anything about anything but I suspect the decision to release him from prison recently (pending trial for the sword attack) will come under scrutiny.
What a tragedy.
My knowledge of the French legal system is limited only to exposure to the tv series Engrenages so I won’t pretend to know anything about anything but I suspect the decision to release him from prison recently (pending trial for the sword attack) will come under scrutiny.
What a tragedy.
mac96 said:
You wonder how someone with his track record was on the street in the first place. Must be very unusual for someone to be a suspect in two separate murders in 5 years and actually not be guilty of either.
Seemingly he was out this time because their court system is backlogged massively and there’s some form of time limit on prosecution which ran out.croyde said:
We had a live feed of the area in Paris where it happened and it was all kicking off.
People smashing shops, cars and throwing stuff at the cops.
Cops had shields but no helmets, oddly. A few times tooled up cops were running away from the mob.
Hard to have much sympathy for French police considering how they usually assault peaceful protesters. People smashing shops, cars and throwing stuff at the cops.
Cops had shields but no helmets, oddly. A few times tooled up cops were running away from the mob.
pork911 said:
chrispmartha said:
Heard about this earlier, absolutely horrifying.
shocked not to find a massive thread condemning it, shocked I was.
Awful everything.shocked not to find a massive thread condemning it, shocked I was.
His community really needs to come out and condemn his actions in the strongest possible terms.
Silence is support.
The bloke is utterly wrong, utterly totally wrong and should be held up as an example of what we don't do.
But, he's not trying to change the society around him, he's trying to keep it to what he knows and is comfortable with, (for the avoidance of doubt, I condemn his actions.) but he's not trying to force a foreign belief system on an already established country, nor is he targeting a concert, people going to work, enjoying a Christmas Market.
We already have a code of conduct and justice system we abide by. That's why we won't be seeing "his community" coming out and condemning him, all the mechanisms are in place and working to do so already.
He is wrong but he's taken action against factions he see as invaders.
France has a big problem, the government can't sort it. I'm amazed this isn't happening more to be honest.
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