Double Standards in Sexual Assault case?

Double Standards in Sexual Assault case?

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poo at Paul's

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14,318 posts

181 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/...

If TLDR, woman football fan gropes man's genitals and rubs her arse on his shoulder and gets community order. sentence is one thing, Judges comments quite another!

TwigtheWonderkid

44,430 posts

156 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Appalling. Sexual assault is sexual assault, and should be treated as such regardless of the sex of the perpetrator or victim.

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

50 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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It should have been the identical sentence to that which would have been given were the genders reversed.

oddman

2,629 posts

258 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Similar case in Scotland
More serious and previous - Placed on sex offenders register

Starfighter

5,051 posts

184 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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I do wonder if that is unduly lenient and should be appealed.

Type R Tom

3,985 posts

155 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Can someone explain to me WTF being a Man City fan as to do with any of this? Why is football brought into it from her perspective?

I hope Man City give her a life time ban, brings the club into disrepute.

Lincsls1

3,422 posts

146 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Off topic, but photo filtering at its best. FFS. I hate this. banghead

xstian

2,013 posts

152 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?

Lotobear

7,029 posts

134 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
...was the victim in this case not vulnerable, ..how do you know that?

Rufus Stone

7,713 posts

62 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
So essentially you are considering men as a lesser victim than women.

No wonder male victims of domestic violence have trouble being taken seriously.

Greendubber

13,689 posts

209 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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I've been victim of sexual assaults by females a number of times. Being old bill and working busy night time economy shifts surrounded by drunk people and having to go in and out of clubs it's rife. Women grabbing my arse, cock and balls, inappropriate comments the lot.

Imagine if it was drunken blokes doing it to a female, I locked one of them up but pretty much got told to forget it, it's a drunken female and it goes with the territory for a bloke in uniform.....so no one cared.

I'm sure I'll get all the PH Alphas piling in about looking a gift horse in the mouth now though!

xstian

2,013 posts

152 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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Rufus Stone said:
xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
So essentially you are considering men as a lesser victim than women.

No wonder male victims of domestic violence have trouble being taken seriously.
This is not domestic violence though is it? So what relevance does that have to do with this case?

xstian

2,013 posts

152 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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Lotobear said:
xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
...was the victim in this case not vulnerable, ..how do you know that?
We don't, like I said lack of detail in the article.

Rufus Stone

7,713 posts

62 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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xstian said:
This is not domestic violence though is it? So what relevance does that have to do with this case?
No it's not, but your attitude to male victims would presumably equally apply.

BoRED S2upid

20,211 posts

246 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
You really think if a man gropes a woman’s genitals in public he’s not going to get a harsher sentence than this woman got?

xstian

2,013 posts

152 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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Rufus Stone said:
xstian said:
This is not domestic violence though is it? So what relevance does that have to do with this case?
No it's not, but your attitude to male victims would presumably equally apply.
We don't know who this victim was. You do realise that one size doesn't fit all?

xstian

2,013 posts

152 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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BoRED S2upid said:
xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
You really think if a man gropes a woman’s genitals in public he’s not going to get a harsher sentence than this woman got?
I don't think he would get a prison term, which is what others are suggesting this woman should have got.

BoRED S2upid

20,211 posts

246 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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xstian said:
I don't think he would get a prison term, which is what others are suggesting this woman should have got.
Probably right as prisons are full to bursting but he would definitely be on the sex offenders register.

chrispmartha

16,521 posts

135 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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BoRED S2upid said:
xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
You really think if a man gropes a woman’s genitals in public he’s not going to get a harsher sentence than this woman got?
Not necessarily


https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/999/man-who-g...

https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/news/wiltshire-new...

chrispmartha

16,521 posts

135 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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xstian said:
BoRED S2upid said:
xstian said:
The details in the article are a bit light, but a community order sounds about right. I really don't think if a man did the same he would have got prison time.

I'm quite surprised some can't see the difference between this case and a man committing the same offence. I think you have got to remember the crime committed here is the same if it committed by a man or woman, no question about that, but who its done to make a big difference. The vulnerability of the victim has a massive impact on the seriousness of a crime. If she had done this to a male child, you would expect a harsher sentence. If a man had done this to a woman, grabbed her genitals and said I'm going to have sex with you later, what would you take that to mean?
You really think if a man gropes a woman’s genitals in public he’s not going to get a harsher sentence than this woman got?
I don't think he would get a prison term, which is what others are suggesting this woman should have got.
Community orders seem to be the standard for this type of offender male or female.