40 months for stabbing a Police Officer

[T6 vanman]

Story
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/police-office...

I'll lay my cards on the table .... Shocked
If I read this right ... Receiving a sentence of 5 years with a minimum of 40 months ..
Green received an extended licence period on release of three years in relation to GBH - after he serves 40 months of a five-year term - and a nine-month concurrent sentence for the knife charge

Do our police deserve better protection ??

[JagLover]

Five years does sound a joke for stabbing anyone three years and then attempting to stab them in the chest, let alone a police officer on duty.

[satfinal]

T6 vanman said:

Do our police deserve better protection ??

No, the prosecution system need to stop taking the piss with stuff like this.

[CarCrazyDad]

Seems a very light sentence...

[Blue62]

T6 vanman said:

Story
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/police-office...

I'll lay my cards on the table .... Shocked
If I read this right ... Receiving a sentence of 5 years with a minimum of 40 months ..
Green received an extended licence period on release of three years in relation to GBH - after he serves 40 months of a five-year term - and a nine-month concurrent sentence for the knife charge

Do our police deserve better protection ??

There’s no detail in that ‘story’ at all, like how long he’s already been on remand or the circumstances of the assault, so it’s hard to give an opinion. I agree that the police need better protection, as do victims and witnesses, but whether that is only afforded by longer sentences is to be ignorant of the many issues afflicting our criminal justice system.

[pork911]

'He stabbed the officer's right buttock twice, inflicting deep injuries, and followed with a third blow to an unknown part of his body.'


unknown?

[irc]

I blame the public myself. He would have got longer for attempted murder.

"Juries cleared Green of attempted murder after he pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm with intent and possessing a bladed article in a public place."

As he stabbed the cop in the chest (saved by body armour) it clearly was attempted murder. That jury should hang their heads in shame.

Brought to mind PC Lewis Fulton who was stabbed to death in Glasgow. His death was what led to Strathclyde Police issuing body armour to all cops for the first time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1061677.stm

[pavarotti1980]

satfinal said:

No, the prosecution system need to stop taking the piss with stuff like this.

Why/how are they taking the piss?

[pork911]

irc said:

As he stabbed the cop in the chest (saved by body armour) it clearly was attempted murder. That jury should hang their heads in shame.

did he?

[R56Cooper]

irc said:

I blame the public myself. He would have got longer for attempted murder.

"Juries cleared Green of attempted murder after he pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm with intent and possessing a bladed article in a public place."

As he stabbed the cop in the chest (saved by body armour) it clearly was attempted murder. That jury should hang their heads in shame.

Brought to mind PC Lewis Fulton who was stabbed to death in Glasgow. His death was what led to Strathclyde Police issuing body armour to all cops for the first time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1061677.stm

As ever hard to comment without knowing the full facts as on the back of that article linked by OP, it's very hard to see how he wasn't trying to murder the male cop. Absolute scum of the highest order.

[irc]

pork911 said:

irc said:

As he stabbed the cop in the chest (saved by body armour) it clearly was attempted murder. That jury should hang their heads in shame.

did he?

From the link in first post.

"He also attempted to drive the knife into his chest, but Sergeant Griffin's stab vest prevented significant injury."

[Louis Balfour]

T6 vanman said:

Story
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/police-office...

I'll lay my cards on the table .... Shocked
If I read this right ... Receiving a sentence of 5 years with a minimum of 40 months ..
Green received an extended licence period on release of three years in relation to GBH - after he serves 40 months of a five-year term - and a nine-month concurrent sentence for the knife charge

Do our police deserve better protection ??

This will be the sort of story written about in the Secret Barrister books. On the face of it a lenient sentence, but in possession of the full facts there is probably a very good reason.

[BabySharkDD]

pork911 said:

'He stabbed the officer's right buttock twice, inflicting deep injuries, and followed with a third blow to an unknown part of his body.'


unknown?

His clitoris?

[Blue62]

irc said:

I blame the public myself. He would have got longer for attempted murder.

"Juries cleared Green of attempted murder after he pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm with intent and possessing a bladed article in a public place."

As he stabbed the cop in the chest (saved by body armour) it clearly was attempted murder. That jury should hang their heads in shame.

Brought to mind PC Lewis Fulton who was stabbed to death in Glasgow. His death was what led to Strathclyde Police issuing body armour to all cops for the first time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1061677.stm

Not sure how you can comfortably reach that conclusion, without the transcript from the hearing it’s impossible to know how or why the jury reached their verdict, or indeed how they were directed. Blaming the public is an odd position to adopt.

[irc]

Blue62 said:

Not sure how you can comfortably reach that conclusion, without the transcript from the hearing it’s impossible to know how or why the jury reached their verdict, or indeed how they were directed. Blaming the public is an odd position to adopt.

A transcript wouldn't help us. The jury deliberations are not recorded.

I'm happy to state that stabbing someone in the chest is attempted murder. Transcript or no trnanscript.

If new information comes to my attention like the judge directing the jury not to convict of attempted murder I will reconsider but on the information we have I'm happy to form my opinion.

[Biggy Stardust]

JagLover said:

Five years does sound a joke for stabbing anyone three years and then attempting to stab them in the chest, let alone a police officer on duty.

Whilst I agree that the sentence appears excessively lenient, are some people worth more than others?

[Blue62]

irc said:

A transcript wouldn't help us. The jury deliberations are not recorded.

I'm happy to state that stabbing someone in the chest is attempted murder. Transcript or no trnanscript.

If new information comes to my attention like the judge directing the jury not to convict of attempted murder I will reconsider but on the information we have I'm happy to form my opinion.

As you say the deliberations are not recorded, but you’re happy to form a judgement? Quite why you think the transcripts would have no bearing on proceedings is beyond me, the ‘information’ is so scant as to be almost useless.

[Ian Geary]

Biggy Stardust said:

JagLover said:

Five years does sound a joke for stabbing anyone three years and then attempting to stab them in the chest, let alone a police officer on duty.

Whilst I agree that the sentence appears excessively lenient, are some people worth more than others?

The doctorine that attacks on emergency services workers are judged as more serious has recently been put into law.

So instead of seeing as other people are worth "less", and police worth "more", I would see it more as a deterrent, and ensuring consequences for attacks on the people who put themselves in harm's way to protect the public.

Without knowing the full facts, I would agree on the face of it 40 months (of a 5 year sentence) is light.

Given the jury is drawn from "the public", I can also see a view to blame "the public" collectively, but again we don't have info about whether the 12 specific members of the public were directed to do or not do something.

However, didn't the jury find the climate activists not guilty of criminal damage even after the judge had directed them there was no defence?

Yes: article here https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/2...


So this implies a jury can still decide to do what it wants. Though presumably party found guilty against the judge's direction would just appeal the verdict (whereas the climate zealots found not guilty are obviously not going to appeal the verdict!)

[Biggy Stardust]

Ian Geary said:

The doctorine that attacks on emergency services workers are judged as more serious has recently been put into law.

So all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

[Lotobear]

Biggy Stardust said:

Ian Geary said:

The doctorine that attacks on emergency services workers are judged as more serious has recently been put into law.

So all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

I have to agree this has never sat 'right' with me