3 dead in icy lake
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Couldn't see another thread but what awful tragic news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63944005
The dead boys are 8, 10 and 11. 6 year old remains critical in hospital.
Their friends and families must be going through hell, especially at this time of year.
I shall be reminding my daughters of the dangers of ice.
The dead boys are 8, 10 and 11. 6 year old remains critical in hospital.
Their friends and families must be going through hell, especially at this time of year.
I shall be reminding my daughters of the dangers of ice.
that's awful, must be a hideous way to go, and utterly harrowing for the families.
My friends and I used to play on a frozen pond when we were younger. We weren't totally oblivious to the danger but we 'knew' that it was only waist deep, however in hindsight we didn't really know with any certainty. I don't have kids, but now I'd be terrified to see my nieces / nephews / anyone's young child playing on a frozen pond or lake (in the southern UK at least, where it's rarely properly cold enough to safely freeze over a body of water).
Poor kids, poor families, poor emergency services who had to deal with that
My friends and I used to play on a frozen pond when we were younger. We weren't totally oblivious to the danger but we 'knew' that it was only waist deep, however in hindsight we didn't really know with any certainty. I don't have kids, but now I'd be terrified to see my nieces / nephews / anyone's young child playing on a frozen pond or lake (in the southern UK at least, where it's rarely properly cold enough to safely freeze over a body of water).
Poor kids, poor families, poor emergency services who had to deal with that
poo at Paul's said:
Mind boggling that kids that young should be out in these conditions alone, and if they were not, if they were being supervised by an adult, what possesses that person to think walking on an iced over lake is anything other than ridiculously dangerous.
Poor kids.
10 and 11 aren't overly young tbh, but kids can be stupid. Back in 2010 I was that age at school, which was shut due to the weather, so it was snowball fights galore for the boarders.Poor kids.
In one fight I decided to try and make my escape by running across an iced over brook. It of course gave way and I got knee deep in cold water. But the threat of that was much lesser than a lake where you could be fully immersed, and I was aware of the risk.
The conditions themselves were fine to be out alone in - deep bodies of water are the particular hazard.
Such a horrible situation. It made me think though, as I've noticed a lot of jokey/light hearted videos of people dicking about on ice on things like youtube/instagram/fb which obviously are fairly dismissive of thedangers of doing so. In some it's all seen as rather hilarious when people fall through the ice rather than potentially very serious. I'm not saying this has necessarily been a factor here but I wouldn't be surprised...
Edited by Quhet on Monday 12th December 12:04
It depends on the lake. My parents lived beside a small loch which we skated on in cold winters perfectly safely having assessed ice thickness. 30 or 40 people out on the loch
Young children of course care not able to assess this risk and should not have been there. Back in the 80s 2 colleagues nearly drowned after going into a canal basin where 2 kids were missing under the ice and 2 adults were drowning having fallen through the ice looking for the kids.
My colleagues fell through the ice trying to get the adults out. They were in the water for 18 to 20 minutes before the fire service arrived with ladders which let them get out on the ice without it breaking.
Final result 3 dead. Both kids and one of their uncles
An equipment failure in our part. The "safety" lines we carried were for throwing to someone in open water and pulling them to the bank. The line was thin so when thrown to my colleagues in the water it repeatedly snapped when we tried to pull them and the guys they were holding up back onto the ice. Though whether anything short of long ladders to spread weight sufficiently would have worked who knows?
This was approx 42 years ago and I can still see clearly the expression on my colleagues faces as we waited for the fire service. They didn't think they were getting out.
Young children of course care not able to assess this risk and should not have been there. Back in the 80s 2 colleagues nearly drowned after going into a canal basin where 2 kids were missing under the ice and 2 adults were drowning having fallen through the ice looking for the kids.
My colleagues fell through the ice trying to get the adults out. They were in the water for 18 to 20 minutes before the fire service arrived with ladders which let them get out on the ice without it breaking.
Final result 3 dead. Both kids and one of their uncles
An equipment failure in our part. The "safety" lines we carried were for throwing to someone in open water and pulling them to the bank. The line was thin so when thrown to my colleagues in the water it repeatedly snapped when we tried to pull them and the guys they were holding up back onto the ice. Though whether anything short of long ladders to spread weight sufficiently would have worked who knows?
This was approx 42 years ago and I can still see clearly the expression on my colleagues faces as we waited for the fire service. They didn't think they were getting out.
Glassman said:
gotoPzero said:
Given their ages I assume the parents were there?
If they were, it's probably an even worse situation. My guess is they weren't. How awful. I grew up in the Midlands, we had Sutton Park (one of the largest urban parks in Europe) with seven lakes in it, all of which would freeze over in harsh winters.
My dad used to tell a story of when he himself was a teenager, some kids went through the ice on one of those lakes, he had to go in and help rescue them, he said it was truly awful cold and even though he was in there for under a minute, and only up to his waist, he really suffered from it.
Consequently we had it drummed into us as kids never to go on frozen lakes, and I recall public information films were shown at the time to warn of the dangers. These things just don't seem to be shown anymore.
My dad used to tell a story of when he himself was a teenager, some kids went through the ice on one of those lakes, he had to go in and help rescue them, he said it was truly awful cold and even though he was in there for under a minute, and only up to his waist, he really suffered from it.
Consequently we had it drummed into us as kids never to go on frozen lakes, and I recall public information films were shown at the time to warn of the dangers. These things just don't seem to be shown anymore.
The lake is in the middle of a housing estate. When I was that age I was allowed out to play in the fields near my house. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the kids to wander off and decide to play on the ice instead even if they were warned to stay off. Seems like a tragic set of circumstances.
Strangely if you look on google streetview there seems to be a water rescue taking place with air ambulance, fire service, police and ambulance in attendance when the car went past.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4877955,-1.7571085...
Strangely if you look on google streetview there seems to be a water rescue taking place with air ambulance, fire service, police and ambulance in attendance when the car went past.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4877955,-1.7571085...
Edited by fiatpower on Monday 12th December 12:26
dundarach said:
Horrible.
Being 50 this year I have memories of public information films telling us all about the things which would kill us.
Not sure my children 11 and 13 have seen anything like that.
I think the public information films worked when we were young as there were only 3 channels and nearly everyone in the country sat down to watch telly together of an evening.Being 50 this year I have memories of public information films telling us all about the things which would kill us.
Not sure my children 11 and 13 have seen anything like that.
This is a horrific event, can't imagine what the parents are going through, even as a parent myself.
My lot are almost and into their 20s now and still do stupid stuff. Didn't we all do, but we were mainly lucky.
When I left for work this morning the news was that 4 were in hospital and 2 missing
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