Jailed for running burglars off road
Discussion
This is a story linked in the one thieves steal judges motorbike
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/dad-jailed-running-afte...
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/dad-jailed-running-afte...
The problem is, he was chasing them (and harmed them) when they were fleeing the scene empty handed.
If he’d beaten the armed (crowbar…) burglars to death at his house fearing for his life in the heat of the moment, I’d have no problem with that. If they’d stolen the bike and he’d chased them in his car, unintentionally badly injuring them in an effort to recover his stolen property, I’d also say that was fine. Unfortunately neither was the case and the thieves having fled, he should have left things to the police (who I realise would have done absolutely nothing apart from issuing a crime reference number…).
That said, it’s appalling that the criminals just got a suspended sentence. I hope their injuries prove life changing; no sympathy.
If he’d beaten the armed (crowbar…) burglars to death at his house fearing for his life in the heat of the moment, I’d have no problem with that. If they’d stolen the bike and he’d chased them in his car, unintentionally badly injuring them in an effort to recover his stolen property, I’d also say that was fine. Unfortunately neither was the case and the thieves having fled, he should have left things to the police (who I realise would have done absolutely nothing apart from issuing a crime reference number…).
That said, it’s appalling that the criminals just got a suspended sentence. I hope their injuries prove life changing; no sympathy.
There was a documentary on this last week. The homeowner saw the red mist. His Mrs was in the early stages of pregnancy when the event happened.
They ended up terminating the pregnancy and moving house due to jail term.
The scumbags did not change their ways.
I don't 100% agree with his actions, but the justice system seems broken.
They ended up terminating the pregnancy and moving house due to jail term.
The scumbags did not change their ways.
I don't 100% agree with his actions, but the justice system seems broken.
A punishment perhaps but not so that it ruins his and his family's lives.
Maybe a more hands off attitude by the establishment might convince a lot of scum that it's not worth it.
Currently it seems, if you want it, just use any means to get it as the punishment doesn't fit the crime, if indeed you are actually punished.
The only good thing about this is that the poor chap has hopefully stopped two sub humans from carrying on to rob other people.
I do hope that their injuries give them trouble for the rest of their miserable lives.
Maybe a more hands off attitude by the establishment might convince a lot of scum that it's not worth it.
Currently it seems, if you want it, just use any means to get it as the punishment doesn't fit the crime, if indeed you are actually punished.
The only good thing about this is that the poor chap has hopefully stopped two sub humans from carrying on to rob other people.
I do hope that their injuries give them trouble for the rest of their miserable lives.
Edited by croyde on Saturday 3rd December 08:14
Rob_125 said:
There was a documentary on this last week. The homeowner saw the red mist. His Mrs was in the early stages of pregnancy when the event happened.
They ended up terminating the pregnancy and moving house due to jail term.
The scumbags did not change their ways.
I don't 100% agree with his actions, but the justice system seems broken.
The justice system is broken, but in more ways than you can maybe imagine. Everyone in the system, from barristers, to victims, to the perpetrators, is badly let down. People scream for more and longer sentences and politicians oblige because it’s the easy option and an easy soundbite, but the steady squeeze on funding has left us with a broken system and that should be a bigger concern for all of us than it appears to be. They ended up terminating the pregnancy and moving house due to jail term.
The scumbags did not change their ways.
I don't 100% agree with his actions, but the justice system seems broken.
Don't do the crime if you cant do the time. And i'm not talking about him, i'm talking about the thieving scumbags that might be surprised when someone retaliates.
I was always taught that if i stole something then one of two things might happen:
The person or people i steal off might punish me.
or
The law might punish me.
As such from an early age it was ingrained that stealing is wrong and ends in a punishment.
These type of scum simply don't give a f
k, happy to take peoples stuff with little to no consequence.
Did he go a bit over the top, probably yes but then they shouldn't have been there doing it then he wouldn't have done it.
I was always taught that if i stole something then one of two things might happen:
The person or people i steal off might punish me.
or
The law might punish me.
As such from an early age it was ingrained that stealing is wrong and ends in a punishment.
These type of scum simply don't give a f
k, happy to take peoples stuff with little to no consequence.Did he go a bit over the top, probably yes but then they shouldn't have been there doing it then he wouldn't have done it.
They deserved more than fractured skills(sic)
They're even suing his insurance. Wonder what the likelihood of a successful claim is?
I've often pondered what it would be like to be a criminal. Not a petty burglar but you see these 'drug lords' with Bugattis living the life of Riley and you look at them and know they've got an IQ barely out of double digits.
But then obviously they're the only ones that are caught.
White collar crime is even more lucrative and even less likely to be punished. I'd be surprised if the chances of getting caught for most stuff is less than 1 in a 1000 if you put the effort in.
They're even suing his insurance. Wonder what the likelihood of a successful claim is?
I've often pondered what it would be like to be a criminal. Not a petty burglar but you see these 'drug lords' with Bugattis living the life of Riley and you look at them and know they've got an IQ barely out of double digits.
But then obviously they're the only ones that are caught.
White collar crime is even more lucrative and even less likely to be punished. I'd be surprised if the chances of getting caught for most stuff is less than 1 in a 1000 if you put the effort in.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I have no sympathy for the burglars but you can't really be doing that.
I disagree. Whenever some little old lady gets burgled or some innocent person is the victim of road-rage and the criminals get a community order or some such bks, I always console myself with the fact that sooner or later, they’ll pick the wrong target. I absolutely love it when they do and I wish it was legal for this chap to do what he did.
57Ford said:
I disagree. Whenever some little old lady gets burgled or some innocent person is the victim of road-rage and the criminals get a community order or some such bks, I always console myself with the fact that sooner or later, they’ll pick the wrong target.
I absolutely love it when they do and I wish it was legal for this chap to do what he did.
I'm sure you do but think it through.ks, I always console myself with the fact that sooner or later, they’ll pick the wrong target. I absolutely love it when they do and I wish it was legal for this chap to do what he did.
What if you were in the path of this bloke when he went all Death Wish on them?
What if in his red mist he'd been so focussed on the burglars that he ran over a child.
You'll probably say that's all "what it's" and of course it is but they're also pretty good reasons why you don't want a free for all out there with the public being vigilantes.
As I said I've f
k all sympathy for the burglars and it's tempting to agree with you to some extent as a gut reaction - but that's not the same as thinking it's a good state of affairs having people doing that kind of thing.The system has to come down hard on vigilantes especially when you think that they could accidentally reap their revenge on the wrong person if they mistake their identify
I watched a recent blackbeltbarrister video on YouTube where someone had tracked their stolen phone to a house, the police wouldn't attend so they went themselves to get it back. Lots of comments of people saying they'd reap their own revenge but phone tracking isn't consistently accurate enough so what if the phone had tracked to the house next door and the vigilante victim stormed into the wrong house to get their phone back. We can't have that.
I watched a recent blackbeltbarrister video on YouTube where someone had tracked their stolen phone to a house, the police wouldn't attend so they went themselves to get it back. Lots of comments of people saying they'd reap their own revenge but phone tracking isn't consistently accurate enough so what if the phone had tracked to the house next door and the vigilante victim stormed into the wrong house to get their phone back. We can't have that.
Edited by LeadFarmer on Saturday 3rd December 10:38
Dr Jekyll said:
LeadFarmer said:
The system has to come down hard on vigilantes especially when you think that they could accidentally reap their revenge on the wrong person if they mistake their identify
Fine, but it should come down at least as hard on the crooks.Punishment should be for what you have done not what might happen.
gruffalo said:
I disagree with this, punish the vigilante if they get the wrong person as if it was am un prevoked attack. If they get the right person a quite well done will suffice.
Punishment should be for what you have done not what might happen.
Don't be ridiculous. The punishment is to warn others not to follow the same actions in future due to the high possibility of a very different outcome. Punishment should be for what you have done not what might happen.
Unless you think attempted burglary should be punishable by death sentence, and the considerable risk of collateral damage to innocent parties at some point is a price worth paying of course?
paulw123 said:
Only thing wrong here is the stupidly lenient ‘punishment’ for the two criminals.
This - as said on the other thread, if Adam's sentence had been suspended and the scumbag burglars had got meaningful prison time (and therefore would have been stopped from inevitably committing another dozen burglaries...) I doubt anyone would have had much of an issue with it. As it is, it leaves a very bitter taste.gruffalo said:
Dr Jekyll said:
LeadFarmer said:
The system has to come down hard on vigilantes especially when you think that they could accidentally reap their revenge on the wrong person if they mistake their identify
Fine, but it should come down at least as hard on the crooks.Punishment should be for what you have done not what might happen.
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