Late Queen's lady-in-waiting resigns over racism row
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468
Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
smn159 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468
Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
Upon being asked where she was from by the rather old, posh and out of touch old dear at the party, Ngozi Fulani replies "sistah place"... and it went downhill from there.Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
pequod said:
Polite conversation has taken a backward step, even if it was an innocent enquiry to the woman about her family roots.
Eggshells are rather thin these days!
The transcript doesn't read like a polite conversation.Eggshells are rather thin these days!
And to be pestered on it after saying she was British, followed by the 'your people' comment. Archaic 'innocence' like that needs stamping out. Zero doubt she'd have been asked if she was white and sounded British (to cover the 'well she might be from Europe/elsewhere and white' retort)
Ngozi was quite right to say 'sistah place' and leave it at that.
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Wednesday 30th November 17:18
Late Queen's Lady in Waiting? Not sure how anyone can be that.
A related story is this. (Though I'm not suggesting it's the reason anything happened.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63768031
"Camilla scraps ladies-in-waiting in modernising move"
Though when you read this story it's partly a change in the name of the role and the responsibilities being slimmed down, rather than dispensed with.
A related story is this. (Though I'm not suggesting it's the reason anything happened.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63768031
"Camilla scraps ladies-in-waiting in modernising move"
Though when you read this story it's partly a change in the name of the role and the responsibilities being slimmed down, rather than dispensed with.
F1GTRUeno said:
The transcript doesn't read like a polite conversation.
And to be pestered on it after saying she was British, followed by the 'your people' comment. Archaic 'innocence' like that needs stamping out. Zero doubt she'd have been asked if she was white and sounded British (to cover the 'well she might be from Europe/elsewhere and white' retort)
Ngozi was quite right to say 'sistah place' and leave it at that.
Except it doesn't answer the polite question, and as anyone with half a brain would surmise it's pretty obvious the old dear wouldn't understand the phrase. Nor do I actually, but truth be told I wouldn't bother trying to be conversational if I got an answer like that. And to be pestered on it after saying she was British, followed by the 'your people' comment. Archaic 'innocence' like that needs stamping out. Zero doubt she'd have been asked if she was white and sounded British (to cover the 'well she might be from Europe/elsewhere and white' retort)
Ngozi was quite right to say 'sistah place' and leave it at that.
popeyewhite said:
Except it doesn't answer the polite question, and as anyone with half a brain would surmise it's pretty obvious the old dear wouldn't understand the phrase. Nor do I actually, but truth be told I wouldn't bother trying to be conversational if I got an answer like that.
It's probably easier to see that as a "polite question" if you haven't had to put up with that s
t your whole life.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: It's clearly unacceptable.
Taken at face value it sounds more like someone who's deeply out of touch around what is and isn't appropriate rather than intending any malice.
Pretty much my thoughts too. Good she has stepped aside & apologised, and hopefully the Sistah Space charity gets some kind of benefit from the extra publicity. Not sure it's indicative so much of institutional racism as much as generational differences and distance from modern society though (and I suspect far from an attempt to be deliberately offensive). Taken at face value it sounds more like someone who's deeply out of touch around what is and isn't appropriate rather than intending any malice.
popeyewhite said:
F1GTRUeno said:
The transcript doesn't read like a polite conversation.
And to be pestered on it after saying she was British, followed by the 'your people' comment. Archaic 'innocence' like that needs stamping out. Zero doubt she'd have been asked if she was white and sounded British (to cover the 'well she might be from Europe/elsewhere and white' retort)
Ngozi was quite right to say 'sistah place' and leave it at that.
Except it doesn't answer the polite question, and as anyone with half a brain would surmise it's pretty obvious the old dear wouldn't understand the phrase. Nor do I actually, but truth be told I wouldn't bother trying to be conversational if I got an answer like that. And to be pestered on it after saying she was British, followed by the 'your people' comment. Archaic 'innocence' like that needs stamping out. Zero doubt she'd have been asked if she was white and sounded British (to cover the 'well she might be from Europe/elsewhere and white' retort)
Ngozi was quite right to say 'sistah place' and leave it at that.
I don't think naming the organisation you're representing at a charity event is actually all that odd behaviour, when talking to a senior member of the royal household who you'd expect to understand what the event is all about.
NDA said:
KAgantua said:
Where are your family from may have been a better question
Even that would be construed as racism today. It is best to say nothing at all.Event about toxic masculinity ends in disastrous racist outpouring by privileged white female!
popeyewhite said:
smn159 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468
Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
Upon being asked where she was from by the rather old, posh and out of touch old dear at the party, Ngozi Fulani replies "sistah place"... and it went downhill from there.Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
And to ask what nationality she was, after she had clearly stated she was British, and then Lady SH ‘changed’ the direction of the question to ‘where do your people come from’ (possibly due to an ‘oh s
t’ moment). Asking ‘where do your *ancestors* come from would probably have mollified (good word) the situation, but to be honest the damage was already done.smn159 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468
Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
The old "I'm not me" defence!Not a great look, although the Royals have been quick to distance themselves
A favourite of Alan Partridge
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