MP's parties on us!
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GranpaB

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59 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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InitialDave

14,297 posts

142 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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I don't find it that controversial a decision (office parties being a 'business' expense), but the optics aren't great given how tough things are for a lot of people at present.


Lotobear

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151 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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speaking of 'optics'....and we also subsidise their bar in the HoC where I all sorts of things can go on after a heavy session (allegedly).

...and am I the only one who feels the concept of a bar in a place of work is just 'not right'?

Zetec-S

6,610 posts

116 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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Lotobear said:
...and am I the only one who feels the concept of a bar in a place of work is just 'not right'?
No

Eric Mc

124,736 posts

288 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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Don't tell the military.

RizzoTheRat

27,955 posts

215 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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Or the rest of Europe, very common to have wine or beer available with lunch in work canteens in many countries.

JagLover

45,806 posts

258 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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I believe this is to do with MPs being technically employers of their office staff and as such might provide a year end party. It seems a bit of a kill joy measure to exclude alcohol, better to have a per head limit.

bristolracer

5,874 posts

172 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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Lotobear said:
...and am I the only one who feels the concept of a bar in a place of work is just 'not right'?
Used to be quite common in large offices, think most companies have axed them in line with 'duty of care' obligations.


GranpaB

Original Poster:

16,926 posts

59 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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bristolracer said:
Lotobear said:
...and am I the only one who feels the concept of a bar in a place of work is just 'not right'?
Used to be quite common in large offices, think most companies have axed them in line with 'duty of care' obligations.
From my understanding, the tele staff at Octopus Energy have a weekly Friday piss up in the office, booze supplied.

bitchstewie

63,977 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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Well if MPs have criticised it presumably none of them will be claiming expenses.

iphonedyou

10,126 posts

180 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2022
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Lotobear said:
speaking of 'optics'....and we also subsidise their bar in the HoC where I all sorts of things can go on after a heavy session (allegedly).

...and am I the only one who feels the concept of a bar in a place of work is just 'not right'?
You won't be the only one, I'm sure, but it doesn't bother me at all.

z4RRSchris

12,310 posts

202 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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We have a drinks trolley, its better than a bar as you don't have to leave your desk. There is also a spirits cupboard.

I dont see why MP's having an xmas party is a big deal, just optics and something else for labour to complain about.

z4RRSchris

12,310 posts

202 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Allen and Overy have a really great cheap bar on the roof with a great terrace.

Murph7355

40,851 posts

279 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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GranpaB said:
Doesn't that article note that the MPs are saying no to it. It's the independent watchdog saying they can....

Just like the independent pay review board seems to come up with odd decisions.

Maybe it's the independent boards that are out of touch here. I wonder who's on them...

Randy Winkman

20,686 posts

212 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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JagLover said:
I believe this is to do with MPs being technically employers of their office staff and as such might provide a year end party. It seems a bit of a kill joy measure to exclude alcohol, better to have a per head limit.
But nobody is stopping the parties happening - it's just an issue of who pays for them.

The civil servants that work for them would have to pay their own costs if they worked elsewhere in the civil service. And if the people at the MPs office parties are not civil servants, they definitely shouldn't get anything on the tax payer.

Countdown

47,118 posts

219 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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I thought the amount that MPs were allowed for paying their wives and kids running their Constituency offices was fixed. If that's correct does the party money come out of the fixed allowance or is it additional?

The expenses rules for MPs are a total pisstake. They should be in line with all other aspects of the Public Sector.

super7

2,183 posts

231 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Up until a few years ago, Tesco's head office used to have two fridges in the communal area (where the pool table lived) with BE on one and ER on the other..... open the doors and they were full of Beer!!

Nobody ever really touched it through the day, but plenty of evenings turned into Pool nights with beer!

All free!

anonymous-user

77 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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They get their gas and electric paid by the taxpayer on their 2nd London home. !!

Mrr T

14,732 posts

288 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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InitialDave said:
I don't find it that controversial a decision (office parties being a 'business' expense), but the optics aren't great given how tough things are for a lot of people at present.
Unless tax law has changed they are not an allowable business expense. They are a benefit in kind for the employees but I think HMRC allow a maximum up to which it will not be assessed.

z4RRSchris

12,310 posts

202 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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cc3 said:
They get their gas and electric paid by the taxpayer on their 2nd London home. !!
thats fair enough?

you are a MP from devon, in order to do your job you have to rent, or buy a house near enough westminster. Why shouldnt that be a business expense the running of that property?

or just pay them properly, call it £500k a year no expenses.