Taxes to be levied on non-ICE vehicles?
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Just seen a news article stating that the government are going to start imposing taxes on non-ICE vehicles, such as EV`s to help fill the 7-billion-pound hole in the country's finances.
Of course, this was always going to happen, when the majority of ICE vehicles had been taken off the roads, but it seems applying taxes to EV`s etc is going to come in a lot sooner than expected.
Of course, this was always going to happen, when the majority of ICE vehicles had been taken off the roads, but it seems applying taxes to EV`s etc is going to come in a lot sooner than expected.
£165p/a for cars less than £40k isn’t it? That’s pretty reasonable and in line with most ‘normal’ cars and it was a case of when and not if and is hardly likely to put someone off buying an electric car.
No mention, from what I’ve read, of increasing existing rates beyond the normal yearly rise which is surprising considering we still have some of the lowest RFL in Europe.
No mention, from what I’ve read, of increasing existing rates beyond the normal yearly rise which is surprising considering we still have some of the lowest RFL in Europe.
irc said:
Perhaps it is time to stop the subsidies then? Seems crazy to be subsidising and taxing them.
Thinking of tax breaks when bought as company cars. Free parking some places. Free charging some places at taxpayer expense.
Free charging and parking? Where?Thinking of tax breaks when bought as company cars. Free parking some places. Free charging some places at taxpayer expense.
As an EV owner for 2 years, I have never seen free parking and the last free charging was Tesco's which finished a couple fo weeks ago.
Could be wrong, but just interested in case I am missing out.
This was always going to happen at some point, not really big news, i've found it amusing people (Not on this forum i've seen) complaining about Tesco taking away free charging threatening to go to other supermarkets etc.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the government figure out a way to tax those charging at home too.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the government figure out a way to tax those charging at home too.
hepy said:
Free charging and parking? Where?
As an EV owner for 2 years, I have never seen free parking and the last free charging was Tesco's which finished a couple fo weeks ago.
Could be wrong, but just interested in case I am missing out.
Some councils still offer it, though the numbers are decreasing, e.g. https://www.northlanarkshire.gov.uk/news/tariffs-b...As an EV owner for 2 years, I have never seen free parking and the last free charging was Tesco's which finished a couple fo weeks ago.
Could be wrong, but just interested in case I am missing out.
ending on 1st Jan
It's only fair - car tax is currently based on emissions, but that is the only benefit of EVs, they otherwise aren't completely environmentally sound, clog up the roads in the same manner, and probably wear out the roads faster too as they are heavier!
It is what they do to cover the loss of petrol duty over time that will be interesting
It is what they do to cover the loss of petrol duty over time that will be interesting
The only fair way to do this is to tax on mass and mileage. ICE already have this with the band's based on emissions where heavier vehicles list out on VED and fuel duty. For EVs the VED can be based on odometer reading submitted at MoT and fixed annual fee on kerb mass in a selection of 250kg increments.
Yeah, don’t think EV drivers should get a pass from contributing.
it’s bizarre as someone with say an old 1.8 Mondeo petrol will be paying £400 or something, and you don’t drive an old Mondeo as you are rich, yet but an EV for 50 grand or more and you get to not pay any VED ?
And some moan that cyclists don’t pay any ?
Don’t think any car should avoid VED, even the zero rated petrol and diesels, we have a zero rated Fiesta, but wouldn’t complain if we had to pay a low rate.
it’s bizarre as someone with say an old 1.8 Mondeo petrol will be paying £400 or something, and you don’t drive an old Mondeo as you are rich, yet but an EV for 50 grand or more and you get to not pay any VED ?
And some moan that cyclists don’t pay any ?
Don’t think any car should avoid VED, even the zero rated petrol and diesels, we have a zero rated Fiesta, but wouldn’t complain if we had to pay a low rate.
J4CKO said:
And some moan that cyclists don’t pay any ?
Disconnecting “road tax” from emissions could be the first step in taxing cycling though….. There is nothing this government would like more than to throw some red meat at the far right and a lot of people believe it when the Daily Mail tell them there is a “war on motorists” so these poor people really want revenge on a fictitious enemy. Now EVs pay “road tax” despite zero emissions and have registration plates etc, the cyclists will be next… Taxing on distance driven is unpopular owing to the requirement for some sort of vehicle tracking, so taxing fuel use is an alternative that has worked well. It also encourages more fuel efficient cars.
Didn't I read that electricity suppliers charge (£) home EV customers more per unit than electricity delivered to their domestic meters? Or aren't they taxed at a higher rate? If so, that seems to cover the fuel duty element until more people cover every available surface of their properties with solar PV.
Didn't I read that electricity suppliers charge (£) home EV customers more per unit than electricity delivered to their domestic meters? Or aren't they taxed at a higher rate? If so, that seems to cover the fuel duty element until more people cover every available surface of their properties with solar PV.
It will be interesting to see whether any changes are retrospective. I believe that normally, changes in VED are not retrospective, i.e. they do not apply to cars already registered. I think it would be a no-brainer to introduce VED on zero-emission vehicles and also make it retrospective.
pablo said:
Disconnecting “road tax” from emissions could be the first step in taxing cycling though….. There is nothing this government would like more than to throw some red meat at the far right and a lot of people believe it when the Daily Mail tell them there is a “war on motorists” so these poor people really want revenge on a fictitious enemy. Now EVs pay “road tax” despite zero emissions and have registration plates etc, the cyclists will be next…
They came for the ICE motorists, and I said nothing.Then they came for the EV motorists, and I said nothing.
Then they didn't come for the cyclists, because cycling is a net benefit activity in terms of environmental impact and personal health, reducing the burden on the NHS now and later in life.
If China and the Netherlands don't tax cycling, no-one will.
AmitG said:
It will be interesting to see whether any changes are retrospective. I believe that normally, changes in VED are not retrospective, i.e. they do not apply to cars already registered. I think it would be a no-brainer to introduce VED on zero-emission vehicles and also make it retrospective.
I imagine that changes would be retrospective, they are for ICE cars, they change tax rates almost annually for most ICE cars, and it is seldom to reduce the rate. I know a colleague who has a diesel Skoda Octavia which is currently zero tax but he still has to go throguh the admin provess of applying for VEL annually even though he doesn't pay anything for it currently, is it the same for EV's? It would be easy for the Chancellor to increase taxes and/or wipe out the zero tax band completely.
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