Guard at British Embassy spying for Russia
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“A security guard has admitted spying for Russia while working at the British Embassy in Berlin.”
“Prosecutors said he was driven by an intense hatred for his country and angered by the flying of the Rainbow flag in support of the LGBT community. ”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63602000
“Prosecutors said he was driven by an intense hatred for his country and angered by the flying of the Rainbow flag in support of the LGBT community. ”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63602000
SpudLink said:
“A security guard has admitted spying for Russia while working at the British Embassy in Berlin.”
“Prosecutors said he was driven by an intense hatred for his country and angered by the flying of the Rainbow flag in support of the LGBT community. ”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63602000
Ironic that he claims he didnt like the LGBT flag, now he faces 14 years in a 8x12 cell with "Bubba" .“Prosecutors said he was driven by an intense hatred for his country and angered by the flying of the Rainbow flag in support of the LGBT community. ”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63602000
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I thought the people getting angry about companies changing their logos for Pride month were crackers but this dude's taking it to a whole new level.
Selling out your country because you don't like an LGBT flag.
Jesus wept.
It is quite scary that neanderthals still walk amongst us. Selling out your country because you don't like an LGBT flag.
Jesus wept.
eldar said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I thought the people getting angry about companies changing their logos for Pride month were crackers but this dude's taking it to a whole new level.
Selling out your country because you don't like an LGBT flag.
Jesus wept.
It is quite scary that neanderthals still walk amongst us. Selling out your country because you don't like an LGBT flag.
Jesus wept.
paul.deitch said:
What kind of secrets could a security guard know?
What colour socks the Head wears?
Reading the article it sounds like he took Official Sensitive docs (not secret at all) and took photos of whiteboards and peoples passes etc. So pretty basic HUMINT.What colour socks the Head wears?
The fact that this is because of a LGBT flag is just depressing.
To be honest I think some people are just consumed by hatred of other people.
There are enough reports of what kind of thing seems to have set him off and driven him to act against his own country.
Embassy guard Briton who sold secrets to Russians was angry over LGBT flag
Funny thing is he sounds like exactly the sort of bloke who I expect calls himself a "patriot".
There are enough reports of what kind of thing seems to have set him off and driven him to act against his own country.
Embassy guard Briton who sold secrets to Russians was angry over LGBT flag
Funny thing is he sounds like exactly the sort of bloke who I expect calls himself a "patriot".
pablo said:
Unlikely to be because of an LGBT flag, much like those two guys went to Salisbury to see a Cathedral…….it’s just too crap a cover story. The truth will be he’s been paid loads of money in cash to squeal. A Security guard on around £25-30k a year will be an easy target
And probably has debts that weren't reported or monitored as part of his security vetting.paul.deitch said:
Looked up vetting a bit. One thing I didn't understand.
"access to TOP SECRET codeword material"
Does that mean that a doc is labelled "TOP SECRET - DEITCH" for example and that you are vetted for the code words and not just the level?
Kind of, there is a classification marking beyond Top Secret called STRAP (not an acronym) which further refines who can view documentation from an project level right down to named individuals. "access to TOP SECRET codeword material"
Does that mean that a doc is labelled "TOP SECRET - DEITCH" for example and that you are vetted for the code words and not just the level?
This is how the Govt departments manage classified documentation. Even If you are DV cleared, you would still need appropriate access rights to view STRAP material and I doubt a security guard would have the ability to view them unless he went digging and left a digital path as most of the documentation will have a file history showing who accessed them and when.
The Security classification in the UK wiki page is quite useful
Rob_125 said:
Unless you are DV, the vetting isn't that intrusive I don't think. I very much doubt the info he had access to was particularly sensitive, but good to get him locked up all the same.
SC gives you plenty of access and would include financial background check.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-...
pablo said:
paul.deitch said:
Looked up vetting a bit. One thing I didn't understand.
"access to TOP SECRET codeword material"
Does that mean that a doc is labelled "TOP SECRET - DEITCH" for example and that you are vetted for the code words and not just the level?
Kind of, there is a classification marking beyond Top Secret called STRAP (not an acronym) which further refines who can view documentation from an project level right down to named individuals. "access to TOP SECRET codeword material"
Does that mean that a doc is labelled "TOP SECRET - DEITCH" for example and that you are vetted for the code words and not just the level?
This is how the Govt departments manage classified documentation. Even If you are DV cleared, you would still need appropriate access rights to view STRAP material and I doubt a security guard would have the ability to view them unless he went digging and left a digital path as most of the documentation will have a file history showing who accessed them and when.
The Security classification in the UK wiki page is quite useful
Edited to add that's notwithstanding the fact that being well informed about current issues is obviously desirable. I'm talking about reading paperwork you don't need to see and which hasn't actually been given to you for a reason.
Edited by Randy Winkman on Saturday 12th November 15:25
Randy Winkman said:
That's interesting. I'm no expert on security classifications, but as a civil servant of 38 years experience (sorry if I'm boring anyone) I've always worked on the basis that every civil servant only has authority to see the things they need to see to carry out their current post. So even if you have security clearance at the relevant level, if the material is clearly shown to be not directly relevant to your post you do not actually have authority to read it. That's at all levels.
"Need to know" principal is the fundamental to List X/V practices.Edited by Randy Winkman on Saturday 12th November 15:25
Randy Winkman said:
That's interesting. I'm no expert on security classifications, but as a civil servant of 38 years experience (sorry if I'm boring anyone) I've always worked on the basis that every civil servant only has authority to see the things they need to see to carry out their current post. So even if you have security clearance at the relevant level, if the material is clearly shown to be not directly relevant to your post you do not actually have authority to read it. That's at all levels.
Yes pretty much. I might be working on one project and a colleague on another, but we cant share documents or talk about our individual projects unless there is a nessescary crossover of information/processes that requires us to.Different civil service departments will have different rules, in the MOD 99.9% of people are SC at minimum and there is so much cross project interoperability eg sensors and weapons on multiple platforms, that projects have to talk to each other. If you spend your life in DEFRA, you’re unlikely to come across much sensitive documentation, MOD etc are a bit different.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 12th November 17:25
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