47 president of the USA Ron DeSantis ?
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Ivan stewart said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
I also think a general US politics thread would be good as a catch all outside of the two Presidential ones.
Maybe or it might just turn into a trump v Biden slanging match , I hoped starting a DeSantis thread would be a bit more positive ??
If De Santis runs, and gets the GOP nomination, Trump won’t just scurry away, he’ll try and take the vote away for himself or just burn it all to the ground so neither of them win.
The GOP have tied themselves to the Trump stagecoach and they’re stuck there for the long run, even if it’s only now dawning that they have a ‘Trump problem’
The GOP have tied themselves to the Trump stagecoach and they’re stuck there for the long run, even if it’s only now dawning that they have a ‘Trump problem’
The Rotrex Kid said:
If De Santis runs, and gets the GOP nomination, Trump won’t just scurry away, he’ll try and take the vote away for himself or just burn it all to the ground so neither of them win.
The GOP have tied themselves to the Trump stagecoach and they’re stuck there for the long run, even if it’s only now dawning that they have a ‘Trump problem’
That is the main theme of the news I am seeing this morning after the mid terms. "The GOP have a Trump problem"The GOP have tied themselves to the Trump stagecoach and they’re stuck there for the long run, even if it’s only now dawning that they have a ‘Trump problem’
If the economy can turn around, I think that plus the pro choice agenda should be a strong position for the Dems.
The issue is the candidates.
DeSantis is clearly very strong
Biden is too old / not really another contender.
His message is very effective in Florida but toxic in the country. He's only slightly more popular than Ted Cruz who has a very similar style of bulls
t and pandering to invented narratives.
He will be the Republican nominee in 2024 and lose.
I very much doubt Biden will run. It will be a young fresh face, my bet is Newsom.
t and pandering to invented narratives.He will be the Republican nominee in 2024 and lose.
I very much doubt Biden will run. It will be a young fresh face, my bet is Newsom.
InformationSuperHighway said:
That is the main theme of the news I am seeing this morning after the mid terms. "The GOP have a Trump problem"
If the economy can turn around, I think that plus the pro choice agenda should be a strong position for the Dems.
The issue is the candidates.
DeSantis is clearly very strong
Biden is too old / not really another contender.
Yes. They will never win with him anywhere near the lealdership. Oddly the Dems also know this. Will be interesting to see what the noise will be in the next few years. The dems will miss him when he's gone. What an odd situation to be in!!!If the economy can turn around, I think that plus the pro choice agenda should be a strong position for the Dems.
The issue is the candidates.
DeSantis is clearly very strong
Biden is too old / not really another contender.
williamp said:
Yes. They will never win with him anywhere near the lealdership. Oddly the Dems also know this. Will be interesting to see what the noise will be in the next few years. The dems will miss him when he's gone. What an odd situation to be in!!!
Yep losing the election due to narcism !!’cgt2 said:
His message is very effective in Florida but toxic in the country. He's only slightly more popular than Ted Cruz who has a very similar style of bullst and pandering to invented narratives.
He will be the Republican nominee in 2024 and lose.
I very much doubt Biden will run. It will be a young fresh face, my bet is Newsom.
Florida has been somewhat of a swing state historically and its only unique element has been the large Cuban American population who hate anything that smacks of Communism. t and pandering to invented narratives.He will be the Republican nominee in 2024 and lose.
I very much doubt Biden will run. It will be a young fresh face, my bet is Newsom.
If he can achieve big gains there then his appeal is unlikely to be limited to Florida.
JagLover said:
cgt2 said:
His message is very effective in Florida but toxic in the country. He's only slightly more popular than Ted Cruz who has a very similar style of bullst and pandering to invented narratives.
He will be the Republican nominee in 2024 and lose.
I very much doubt Biden will run. It will be a young fresh face, my bet is Newsom.
Florida has been somewhat of a swing state historically and its only unique element has been the large Cuban American population who hate anything that smacks of Communism. t and pandering to invented narratives.He will be the Republican nominee in 2024 and lose.
I very much doubt Biden will run. It will be a young fresh face, my bet is Newsom.
If he can achieve big gains there then his appeal is unlikely to be limited to Florida.
Sadly gerrymandering is widespread throughout the US though which was another key player in the result.
Some are saying Desantis is a clever trump, but there's nothing clever in what he's been allowed to do so far. His migrant shipping to Marthas vineyard should come back to bite him, but won't, because he illegally imported them into Florida before flying them out on fraudulent claims. He is being sued over this.
trump will have a complete meltdown if Desantis runs.
Really?
trump will have a complete meltdown if Desantis runs.
Really?
JagLover said:
Florida has been somewhat of a swing state historically and its only unique element has been the large Cuban American population who hate anything that smacks of Communism.
If he can achieve big gains there then his appeal is unlikely to be limited to Florida.
You just made the point that his appeal IS limited to Florida.If he can achieve big gains there then his appeal is unlikely to be limited to Florida.
The Cuban population in Florida has always leaned right ever since Scarface was in cinemas.
Also a vast older population that has increased massively in the past two decades, demographics show the shift.
Florida hasn't been a swing state for a while and is getting more red.
Do you think the vast Puerto Rican population throughout the US will like DeSantis shipping migrants around the country? Or young people and women?
He is already messing this up on a national level. If he wants to be the 2024 candidate the one big lesson from this week is that people don't want crazy. A more moderate tempered Republican is the one who can win. I don't see DeSantis as that guy but the GOP will go all in with him and spend hundreds of millions over the next two years on a candidate who will lose.
Edited by cgt2 on Thursday 10th November 09:13
cgt2 said:
You just made the point that his appeal IS limited to Florida.
The Cuban population in Florida has always leaned right ever since Scarface was in cinemas.
Do you think the vast Puerto Rican population throughout the US will like DeSantis shipping migrants around the country?
He is already messing this up on a national level. If he wants to be the 2024 candidate the one big lesson from this week is that people don't want crazy. A more moderate tempered Republican is the one who can win. I don't see DeSantis as that guy but the GOP will go all in with him and spend hundreds of millions over the next two years on a candidate who will lose.
Does he have less appeal than Trump in 2016 who was saying Mexicans were rapists?.The Cuban population in Florida has always leaned right ever since Scarface was in cinemas.
Do you think the vast Puerto Rican population throughout the US will like DeSantis shipping migrants around the country?
He is already messing this up on a national level. If he wants to be the 2024 candidate the one big lesson from this week is that people don't want crazy. A more moderate tempered Republican is the one who can win. I don't see DeSantis as that guy but the GOP will go all in with him and spend hundreds of millions over the next two years on a candidate who will lose.
Right leaning voters don't tend to like open borders.
In terms of polling 76% of Republicans and 55% of Independents think Biden should be doing more to stop illegal migration.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/half-americ...
So I don't think it is the issue that would stop him winning. In terms of national polling doesn't DeSantis score better in a theoretical matchup with Biden than Trump?
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/565604-desant...
JagLover said:
Does he have less appeal than Trump in 2016 who was saying Mexicans were rapists?.
Right leaning voters don't tend to like open borders.
In terms of polling 76% of Republicans and 55% of Independents think Biden should be doing more to stop illegal migration.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/half-americ...
So I don't think it is the issue that would stop him winning. In terms of national polling doesn't DeSantis score better in a theoretical matchup with Biden than Trump?
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/565604-desant...
I just edited my post with more context. He absolutely will not have enough support to reach 270 across the country. He simply will not connect with a country that is trending younger and more ethnically diverse. A clever Republican would understand that. 2016 was six years ago.Right leaning voters don't tend to like open borders.
In terms of polling 76% of Republicans and 55% of Independents think Biden should be doing more to stop illegal migration.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/half-americ...
So I don't think it is the issue that would stop him winning. In terms of national polling doesn't DeSantis score better in a theoretical matchup with Biden than Trump?
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/565604-desant...
Add in potentially millions of pissed off Trump cultists across the country who will despise him for challenging their orange god.
But it sure will be fun to watch them fight.
cgt2 said:
JagLover said:
Does he have less appeal than Trump in 2016 who was saying Mexicans were rapists?.
Right leaning voters don't tend to like open borders.
In terms of polling 76% of Republicans and 55% of Independents think Biden should be doing more to stop illegal migration.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/half-americ...
So I don't think it is the issue that would stop him winning. In terms of national polling doesn't DeSantis score better in a theoretical matchup with Biden than Trump?
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/565604-desant...
I just edited my post with more context. He absolutely will not have enough support to reach 270 across the country. He simply will not connect with a country that is trending younger and more ethnically diverse. A clever Republican would understand that. 2016 was six years ago.Right leaning voters don't tend to like open borders.
In terms of polling 76% of Republicans and 55% of Independents think Biden should be doing more to stop illegal migration.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/half-americ...
So I don't think it is the issue that would stop him winning. In terms of national polling doesn't DeSantis score better in a theoretical matchup with Biden than Trump?
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/565604-desant...
Add in potentially millions of pissed off Trump cultists across the country who will despise him for challenging their orange god.
But it sure will be fun to watch them fight.
“This should be a signal that Trump needs to go.”
“Red wave did not happen. Fox and NewsMax need to do some soul-searching. Let’s back DeSantis.”
“Trump cannot be the nominee for 2024.”
“The truth is Trump makes many unforced errors with his mouth and gives the woke easy targets.”
“If we nominate trump in 2024, we’ll lose.”
“I liked trump, voted for him, but I don’t think he’s what we need in 2024.”
“Looks like most of the republicans Trump endorsed will lose.”
“The kind-maker is no more.”
“Something very bad happened in last few weeks. Trump had those rallies and reminded women about roe.”
“Red wave goodbye.”
“America was so afraid of Trump candidates they voted for Dems.”
“He cost us the senate and at least three governor races. He’s toxic, and we’ll never win until he goes away.”
is this finally the emperors new clothes moment?
edit: NY Times pointing out trumps in deep political trouble with his supporters and with republicans blaiming him, whilst Desantis did really well in his reelection
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/us/politics/tru...
Also remember trump was frequently predicting maga would take to the streets, wouldn't accept losses, would call it fraud etc. He was telling them to get on the streets 'protest, protest. protest'
Didn't happen either - they didn't turn out like he ordered
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/09...
cgt2 said:
Byker28i said:
Now whether from real maga or maybe the russian bots are moving against him...
Time for Putin to break out the kompromat 
Not necessarily the pee tape, but cretainly what happened at 2013 Miss World, that Keith Schiller, his bodyguard had to be paid off with a monthly 'consultancy' by the RNC. Then the russians were pumping money into trump failing businesses for years, then there's all the contact between team trump and the russians, the discussions trump had with Putin that he took all the interpreter notes for, just why trump kept trying to pull the US away from Nato, kept trying to drop sanctions..
The russians could just dribble that lot out for years, just not yet. There's plenty of chaos to come still with trump. the cheap gift that keeps on giving for them
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