Crime - how to tackle it?
Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63517665
Couldn't imagine living like this. Been hearing a lot more about robberies, burglaries, car thefts etc and it's got me thinking about how to tackle this in the short to medium term. I worry about my family, people around me, and society as general.
Not really interested in a debate in how we got here - whether it's down to Labor or Tory policies, but what can be done now to tackle these types of crimes?
We can't magically recruit more officers in the short term, nor can we throw unlimited amounts of money at this problem.
Couldn't imagine living like this. Been hearing a lot more about robberies, burglaries, car thefts etc and it's got me thinking about how to tackle this in the short to medium term. I worry about my family, people around me, and society as general.
Not really interested in a debate in how we got here - whether it's down to Labor or Tory policies, but what can be done now to tackle these types of crimes?
We can't magically recruit more officers in the short term, nor can we throw unlimited amounts of money at this problem.
Having some of the lowest officer numbers to population ratios in Europe has got to be a major factor. Last figures I saw had only the Scandinavian countries with lower numbers (and let’s face it - it’s far to cold to commit crimes most of the year there…). We lost a lot of police numbers during the austerity years which we’re only just reversing but it’ll take years before these new officers replace the experience of those lost and it still won’t be enough.
Add in new stuff like internet/social media guff, mental health and social care (because those departments have also been eviscerated) that the police now have to contend with routinely and there’s simply too few resources chasing too many competing priorities.
More boots on the ground is the simple obvious answer but in the short term? Buy better locks and make your neighbours property a better proposition for a would-be burglar I suppose.
Add in new stuff like internet/social media guff, mental health and social care (because those departments have also been eviscerated) that the police now have to contend with routinely and there’s simply too few resources chasing too many competing priorities.
More boots on the ground is the simple obvious answer but in the short term? Buy better locks and make your neighbours property a better proposition for a would-be burglar I suppose.
valiant said:
Having some of the lowest officer numbers to population ratios in Europe has got to be a major factor. Last figures I saw had only the Scandinavian countries with lower numbers (and let’s face it - it’s far to cold to commit crimes most of the year there…). We lost a lot of police numbers during the austerity years which we’re only just reversing but it’ll take years before these new officers replace the experience of those lost and it still won’t be enough.
Add in new stuff like internet/social media guff, mental health and social care (because those departments have also been eviscerated) that the police now have to contend with routinely and there’s simply too few resources chasing too many competing priorities.
More boots on the ground is the simple obvious answer but in the short term? Buy better locks and make your neighbours property a better proposition for a would-be burglar I suppose.
This sums it up in my opinion. Another factor to consider is the retention of those recruited. Police have never had such low retention rates and never struggled to recruit. Recruitment still appears high but some forces are losing over 10% of those new officers which is another burden on finances in terms of wasted training. Add in new stuff like internet/social media guff, mental health and social care (because those departments have also been eviscerated) that the police now have to contend with routinely and there’s simply too few resources chasing too many competing priorities.
More boots on the ground is the simple obvious answer but in the short term? Buy better locks and make your neighbours property a better proposition for a would-be burglar I suppose.
We also compare officer numbers to the peak but crime has changed since then. More officers now are utilised dealing with crime which barely had a footprint on the figures back then such as offences involving social media. Similarly, more officers are used dealing with other underfunded parts of society like mental health and social work as those organisations can use the police as a safety net in the knowledge they can’t not step in and do it.
If the public want police to take on all the new things they deal with in volume since the numbers peaked and still deal with normal police matters we need to not match those peak numbers, we need to exceed them.
In my opinion we need a full review of policing to include a decision on certain types of crime such as low level offences on social media just not being a police matter so time can be spent on core roles.
We live in a country in which, it seems based on the reactions of our state broadcaster and many of our politicians, a sexist remark is more serious than a burglary.
So should we be surprised by this?
Put simply, the police have limited resources, and their priorities have been bent to the fads of our age.
So should we be surprised by this?
Put simply, the police have limited resources, and their priorities have been bent to the fads of our age.
Ntv said:
We live in a country in which, it seems based on the reactions of our state broadcaster and many of our politicians, a sexist remark is more serious than a burglary.
So should we be surprised by this?
Put simply, the police have limited resources, and their priorities have been bent to the fads of our age.
Can you provide evidence of this?So should we be surprised by this?
Put simply, the police have limited resources, and their priorities have been bent to the fads of our age.
steveo3002 said:
even getting caught isnt a deterrent , most get away a bit of community service etc and laugh it off
Look at how much the legal systems including the courts funding has been cut.Look at how much the prison service funding has been cut.
Look at how much the probation service funding has been cut.
Spot a pattern?
s1962a said:
I read that and was staggered. It's kind of understandable when thieves go thieving in more affulent areas but that article reads like they're stealing off themselves.
Most of the answers to the topic title can be found here: A Brief History Of Crime.
steveo3002 said:
oyster said:
Can you provide evidence of this?
pretty easy....ring the police and say youve been scammed for £1000 online or your shed was burgled see what they say , then ring up and say some nasty man called you racist /trans slur and see how it goes That's bonkers.
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