British Volt - fizzling out
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silentbrown

10,395 posts

139 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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BBC said:
The firm behind a proposed battery factory which could create 4,000 jobs has listed a site in Wales as its preferred option.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53016649

Is this another lot of Circuit-of-Wales chancers/dreamers or have they actually got a product and a business?

BBC also said...

BBC said:
The Welsh town is already home to an Aston Martin electric car plant, which opened fully in December 2019.
Err...



Edited by silentbrown on Friday 12th June 15:10

Al Gorithum

4,913 posts

231 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Don't know about that but I do know that Wales offers very generous grants to new businesses.

Pothole

34,367 posts

305 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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One of two startups involved, the other being AMTE Power

https://www.ft.com/content/061c8bcf-4b60-4e71-9812...

silentbrown

10,395 posts

139 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Pothole said:
One of two startups involved, the other being AMTE Power

https://www.ft.com/content/061c8bcf-4b60-4e71-9812...
AMTE seem legit and established, albeit pretty small. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0849052...

Britishvolt is basically a nothing. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/1238154...

...yet they're going to raise £1.2bn investment in the next year? I'm somewhat skeptical.

anonymous-user

77 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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silentbrown said:
AMTE seem legit and established, albeit pretty small. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0849052...

Britishvolt is basically a nothing. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/1238154...

...yet they're going to raise £1.2bn investment in the next year? I'm somewhat skeptical.
So you've answered your own question?

Everything starts from nothing. Why so doubtful?

silentbrown

10,395 posts

139 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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anonymous said:
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True, but not everything starts with a £1.2bn investment to build a "gigafactory".

Welsh grants in particular seem to be something of a magnet for "highly optimistic" enterprises.

anonymous-user

77 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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silentbrown said:
anonymous said:
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True, but not everything starts with a £1.2bn investment to build a "gigafactory".

Welsh grants in particular seem to be something of a magnet for "highly optimistic" enterprises.
Hmmmm, yes, perhaps!
Either way one to watch.
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cardigankid

8,861 posts

235 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Where there is public money there is always someone with a flashy scheme ready to take it.

loafer123

16,373 posts

238 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Delorean as a classic example.

silentbrown

10,395 posts

139 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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Time for a bump on this. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Wales, following Ineos (and TVR, while not dead, is tagged "Do not resuscitate").

Hopefully DBX at St Athans keeps on track.

poo at Paul's

14,543 posts

198 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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silentbrown said:
Time for a bump on this. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Wales, following Ineos (and TVR, while not dead, is tagged "Do not resuscitate").

Hopefully DBX at St Athans keeps on track.
Kick in the teeth? Has British volt gone away from Wales? I thought it was all still on?

NerveAgent

3,772 posts

243 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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poo at Paul's said:
silentbrown said:
Time for a bump on this. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Wales, following Ineos (and TVR, while not dead, is tagged "Do not resuscitate").

Hopefully DBX at St Athans keeps on track.
Kick in the teeth? Has British volt gone away from Wales? I thought it was all still on?
They have selected a site in north east england instead

CraigyMc

18,111 posts

259 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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silentbrown said:
Pothole said:
One of two startups involved, the other being AMTE Power

https://www.ft.com/content/061c8bcf-4b60-4e71-9812...
AMTE seem legit and established, albeit pretty small. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0849052...

Britishvolt is basically a nothing. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/1238154...

...yet they're going to raise £1.2bn investment in the next year? I'm somewhat skeptical.
Anyone else notice this name in the Britishvolt directors list?
Charles Peter Henry MORGAN

It's a separate entry from Charles Morgan of Morgan Cars fame, but what are the chances?

airbusA346

2,399 posts

176 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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CraigyMc said:
Anyone else notice this name in the Britishvolt directors list?
Charles Peter Henry MORGAN

It's a separate entry from Charles Morgan of Morgan Cars fame, but what are the chances?
A quick Google says it is the same Charles Morgan.

Boom78

1,484 posts

71 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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NerveAgent said:
poo at Paul's said:
silentbrown said:
Time for a bump on this. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Wales, following Ineos (and TVR, while not dead, is tagged "Do not resuscitate").

Hopefully DBX at St Athans keeps on track.
Kick in the teeth? Has British volt gone away from Wales? I thought it was all still on?
They have selected a site in north east england instead
Do these companies being courted receive initial funding and breaks from the welsh assembly? If they do then promptly bugger off is it repayable?

Eric Mc

124,744 posts

288 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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silentbrown said:
Time for a bump on this. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Wales, following Ineos (and TVR, while not dead, is tagged "Do not resuscitate").

Hopefully DBX at St Athans keeps on track.
Where is this place that people refer to as "St Athans"?


Headlines like this always reminds me of this from 40 years ago -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCEamUarOSI

GadgeS3C

4,714 posts

187 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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Amusing thread bump. Have Britishvolt diversified into circuit breakers? wink

Lotobear

8,608 posts

151 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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I would love to see this sort of development brought to the NE but sadly suspect it will come to nothing.

It's just the sort of thing the current Govt needs to support (fiscally) if they want to be true to their word - it's all potentially there, a sloping playing field when we exit with no deal, and the political imperative to connect with the former Labour voters whole 'loaned their vote'.

....I suspect these factors are not lost on the people behind it.

anonymous-user

77 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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Boom78 said:
NerveAgent said:
poo at Paul's said:
silentbrown said:
Time for a bump on this. Bit of a kick in the teeth for Wales, following Ineos (and TVR, while not dead, is tagged "Do not resuscitate").

Hopefully DBX at St Athans keeps on track.
Kick in the teeth? Has British volt gone away from Wales? I thought it was all still on?
They have selected a site in north east england instead
Do these companies being courted receive initial funding and breaks from the welsh assembly? If they do then promptly bugger off is it repayable?
Seems odd.

Tvr apparently had loans to be paid at certain times and also linked to the factory being renovated. Nothing much has happened there.

Maybe if the Welsh ask for the money back it will go under and they’ll get less than if they hold on hoping it might work out eventually?

Obviously I don’t know based on the above but tvr seem to have survived longer than was expected based on the initial loans (and their ability to repay) from the welsh government.

Very difficult for the Welsh though, trying to bring in new business and jobs and support them but not wanting to lose the money completely.



Murph7355

40,851 posts

279 months

Friday 11th December 2020
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El stovey said:
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Very difficult for the Welsh though, trying to bring in new business and jobs and support them but not wanting to lose the money completely.
You'd think it pretty straightforward to tie in payments to stages of business development (building facilities, employing people, longevity etc).

Snatching at it and just chucking money at things seems like a surefire way of getting spanked.