Hygiene poverty
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63403823
A report suggests 3.2 million UK adults are affected by so-called hygiene poverty - with 12% saying they have avoided facing colleagues as a result.
Their struggle to buy basic items such as soap and deodorant is having a devastating effect on their daily lives
I am struggling to see how this can be a thing when there are numerous ways to keep clean with a bit of imagination.
A report suggests 3.2 million UK adults are affected by so-called hygiene poverty - with 12% saying they have avoided facing colleagues as a result.
Their struggle to buy basic items such as soap and deodorant is having a devastating effect on their daily lives
I am struggling to see how this can be a thing when there are numerous ways to keep clean with a bit of imagination.
272BHP said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63403823
A report suggests 3.2 million UK adults are affected by so-called hygiene poverty - with 12% saying they have avoided facing colleagues as a result.
Their struggle to buy basic items such as soap and deodorant is having a devastating effect on their daily lives
I am struggling to see how this can be a thing when there are numerous ways to keep clean with a bit of imagination.
I'm struggling to see how this would stop them answering a telephone.A report suggests 3.2 million UK adults are affected by so-called hygiene poverty - with 12% saying they have avoided facing colleagues as a result.
Their struggle to buy basic items such as soap and deodorant is having a devastating effect on their daily lives
I am struggling to see how this can be a thing when there are numerous ways to keep clean with a bit of imagination.
272BHP said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63403823
A report suggests 3.2 million UK adults are affected by so-called hygiene poverty - with 12% saying they have avoided facing colleagues as a result.
Their struggle to buy basic items such as soap and deodorant is having a devastating effect on their daily lives
I am struggling to see how this can be a thing when there are numerous ways to keep clean with a bit of imagination.
Are we at crisis level yet, if not I won't panic?A report suggests 3.2 million UK adults are affected by so-called hygiene poverty - with 12% saying they have avoided facing colleagues as a result.
Their struggle to buy basic items such as soap and deodorant is having a devastating effect on their daily lives
I am struggling to see how this can be a thing when there are numerous ways to keep clean with a bit of imagination.
I was rather surprised when I saw there's a charity to help kids who don't have beds https://zarach.org
There are lots of things that I suspect everyone on this thread takes for granted that not everyone else can take for granted.
For all their bleating some people don't realise how lucky they are.
There are lots of things that I suspect everyone on this thread takes for granted that not everyone else can take for granted.
For all their bleating some people don't realise how lucky they are.
I struggle to understand this, I could go to Poundland right now and buy a tube of toothpaste, shampoo and shower gel for £3, Are we saying that these people who work for a living are so skint they cannot afford £3 a month for toiletries?
That not even a star bucks coffee.
It's a totally messed up world we live in when people on here are posting about the latest McLaren or Ferrari they have bought and there are children forced to sleep on sofas or the floor.
That not even a star bucks coffee.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I was rather surprised when I saw there's a charity to help kids who don't have beds https://zarach.org
There are lots of things that I suspect everyone on this thread takes for granted that not everyone else can take for granted.
It's utterly depressing that this sort of thing goes on, I just feel bad for the children who have to grow up in this sort of environment. There are lots of things that I suspect everyone on this thread takes for granted that not everyone else can take for granted.
It's a totally messed up world we live in when people on here are posting about the latest McLaren or Ferrari they have bought and there are children forced to sleep on sofas or the floor.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 28th October 10:19
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I was rather surprised when I saw there's a charity to help kids who don't have beds https://zarach.org
There are lots of things that I suspect everyone on this thread takes for granted that not everyone else can take for granted.
For all their bleating some people don't realise how lucky they are.
YupThere are lots of things that I suspect everyone on this thread takes for granted that not everyone else can take for granted.
For all their bleating some people don't realise how lucky they are.
Work for a while in social housing and supported living and you rapidly realise that there is massive poverty in the UK. Also as a school governor you find out that there are kids who only get one meal a day, have to sleep on the floor etc
The pathetic tropes like "cancel netflix" and "don't go to starbucks" just show that people have no clue and zero empathy. Pretty horrible attitude IMO
I saw the headline, and thought "oh, another thing I am supposed to feel guilty about" as I am someone who did ok at school, got an ok job, and can afford to actually wash myself amongst supporting my family.
These all seem like perfectly obvious things to do, and no secret was made during childhood or schooling that I would be expected to work, earn money, and be responsible for myself as an adult.
I haven't read the article. However, I am very aware that people find it very hard to see things through anyone's eyes but their own.
So,
- people raised badly, and I mean badly enough that the above expectations weren't even mentioned, yet alone instilled
- physical / mental health problems
- drug / addiction problems
Are all going to cause issues with an adult's ability to function normally in society.
So what is the answer?
- highlighting a problem exists is the first step. Like some on here, I had no idea up to 1 in 8 adults found this a serious enough problem to prevent them working, (although I am cynical enough to think some people perhaps put a bit more effort into overcoming problems than others...)
- more tax and spend. Yep, problems cost money. Will spending £1 on extra benefits yield more than £1 in productivity? If not, why bother?
- addressing the root cause - this is ultimately where effort should be put. I am frankly flabbergasted that kids are becoming adults and are lacking the means or knowledge to look after their own hygiene. Sure, health conditions aside, I assume this article is talking about those able to be in the workforce, other things being equal.
I am a centerist, but enough of a Tory to promote people taking responsibility for themselves.
But when "markets" fail, or in this case parents fail - I am enough of a socialist to realise if you don't pick the pieces up, it all just gets a lot worse.
Maybe we need to go back to those 70s health education programmes at school?
Of course, local council budgets (which include public health spending) were savaged during so called austerity, so there's very little left to spring board improvements from, and that's before Hunt's 15-20% cuts land, and inflation erodes current spending power.
Public health spend is already targeted, but it's knocking on the door of social care here, where parents are raising kids into adulthood who can't maintain hygiene.
Like I said, I'd be more inclided to read an article if it wasn't pitched at why those that can function normally should feel like it's our fault that others can't.
You wonder at what point society is just broken, and needs a reset button for parts of it.
These all seem like perfectly obvious things to do, and no secret was made during childhood or schooling that I would be expected to work, earn money, and be responsible for myself as an adult.
I haven't read the article. However, I am very aware that people find it very hard to see things through anyone's eyes but their own.
So,
- people raised badly, and I mean badly enough that the above expectations weren't even mentioned, yet alone instilled
- physical / mental health problems
- drug / addiction problems
Are all going to cause issues with an adult's ability to function normally in society.
So what is the answer?
- highlighting a problem exists is the first step. Like some on here, I had no idea up to 1 in 8 adults found this a serious enough problem to prevent them working, (although I am cynical enough to think some people perhaps put a bit more effort into overcoming problems than others...)
- more tax and spend. Yep, problems cost money. Will spending £1 on extra benefits yield more than £1 in productivity? If not, why bother?
- addressing the root cause - this is ultimately where effort should be put. I am frankly flabbergasted that kids are becoming adults and are lacking the means or knowledge to look after their own hygiene. Sure, health conditions aside, I assume this article is talking about those able to be in the workforce, other things being equal.
I am a centerist, but enough of a Tory to promote people taking responsibility for themselves.
But when "markets" fail, or in this case parents fail - I am enough of a socialist to realise if you don't pick the pieces up, it all just gets a lot worse.
Maybe we need to go back to those 70s health education programmes at school?
Of course, local council budgets (which include public health spending) were savaged during so called austerity, so there's very little left to spring board improvements from, and that's before Hunt's 15-20% cuts land, and inflation erodes current spending power.
Public health spend is already targeted, but it's knocking on the door of social care here, where parents are raising kids into adulthood who can't maintain hygiene.
Like I said, I'd be more inclided to read an article if it wasn't pitched at why those that can function normally should feel like it's our fault that others can't.
You wonder at what point society is just broken, and needs a reset button for parts of it.
Evanivitch said:
272BHP said:
Who does not have access to running water in the UK?
A bar of soap costs less than a quarter of a pence a day as well.
Can you pay for soap at 1/4p a day?A bar of soap costs less than a quarter of a pence a day as well.
Washing with water alone is not cleaning.
You can buy a bar of soap in Tescos for 15p.
J4CKO said:
Does seem horrendous that such basics are out of reach for anyone.
Maybe instead of looking at the whys and wherefores, just buy some toiletries and put them in the food bank collection point at the Supermarket ?
This one. Chances are that if someone can't afford personal hygiene products they're already relying on food banks so it makes sense to make sure that they're stocked with these products too.Maybe instead of looking at the whys and wherefores, just buy some toiletries and put them in the food bank collection point at the Supermarket ?
As usual with these conversations people look at one thing in isolation and seem incredulous that it happens. If you have rent, bills, food costs etc and a limited budget it's easy to see how someone might regard personal hygiene products as optional.
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