A1 to be closed due to motorbikers

[donkmeister]

https://www.bedfordshirelive.co.uk/news/bedfordshi...

A shame that someone died, however the local conversation is that this gang have been essentially playing chicken and causing chaos up that section of the A1 recently on their weekend rides.

Now the A1 is going to be closed at a whim without proper reference to the authorities so they can have a cry and a cuddle about someone winning a stupid prize for stupid games.

The A1 on a Friday afternoon is carrying a LOT of traffic, it's the main route from London to Edinburgh with many population centres in between, this will inconvenience many. The stretch between South Mimms and Beeston is also the main route to two of the region's main hospitals at Stevenage and Welwyn.

Drag em away to clink.

[CarCrazyDad]

donkmeister said:

so they can have a cry and a cuddle about someone winning a stupid prize for stupid games.

....

Drag em away to clink.

Bit harsh without knowing what's gone on.

I don't agree with the police rolling over with the road closure but you can't stop 100's of people causing a mess

I don't agree with it at all, but look at what little action the police are doing regarding JSO and they are having significantly more impact!

[donkmeister]

CarCrazyDad said:

donkmeister said:

so they can have a cry and a cuddle about someone winning a stupid prize for stupid games.

....

Drag em away to clink.

Bit harsh without knowing what's gone on.

I don't agree with the police rolling over with the road closure but you can't stop 100's of people causing a mess

I don't agree with it at all, but look at what little action the police are doing regarding JSO and they are having significantly more impact!

I was being deliberately a bit harsh, TBH.

I don't agree with JSO blocking roads, but I respect their motives. Whereas this was (allegedly) a case of antisocial bikers coming unstuck during an afternoon of harassing other road users. I can't respect that, nor the "we will force others to be part of our grieving" actions of their mates.

I do genuinely hope they get arrested for causing an obstruction though.

[CarCrazyDad]

donkmeister said:

I was being deliberately a bit harsh, TBH.

I don't agree with JSO blocking roads, but I respect their motives. Whereas this was (allegedly) a case of antisocial bikers coming unstuck during an afternoon of harassing other road users. I can't respect that, nor the "we will force others to be part of our grieving" actions of their mates.

I do genuinely hope they get arrested for causing an obstruction though.

I fear we disagree on this quite heavily.

JSO blocking the entire country for their "motives" (and hypocrisy when they are all part of the carbon eco system anyway) doesn't annoy you .
I'm sure JSO's actions have led to deaths directly by means of lack of transport or delays or supply chain issues etc

JSO are also forcing (certainly were a few months ago anyway) the entire nation to be part of their protest by blocking roads and oil refineries leading to fuel and supply shortages across the country!), and recently have damaged/destroyed timeless historical art , but I guess that's OK with you because of their "motives"?

From the linked article, there's nothing to say that the bikers were being "anti social" or "harassing other road users"
There may be evidence else where to suggest this, but it is not on what you've linked. So I can only base an opinion on what's been linked.

The article seems to imply the A1 was shut for 7 hours due to the accident / clean up / investigation and that a small stretch of the A1 would be subsequently closed for a "short time" at 3:30PM, so maybe this is an hour?

Respectfully it seems like you have a bone to pick and you're making this into a bigger issue or perhaps I'm not understanding your frustration.

[donkmeister]

CarCrazyDad said:

donkmeister said:

I was being deliberately a bit harsh, TBH.

I don't agree with JSO blocking roads, but I respect their motives. Whereas this was (allegedly) a case of antisocial bikers coming unstuck during an afternoon of harassing other road users. I can't respect that, nor the "we will force others to be part of our grieving" actions of their mates.

I do genuinely hope they get arrested for causing an obstruction though.

I fear we disagree on this quite heavily.

JSO blocking the entire country for their "motives" (and hypocrisy when they are all part of the carbon eco system anyway) doesn't annoy you .
I'm sure JSO's actions have led to deaths directly by means of lack of transport or delays or supply chain issues etc

JSO are also forcing (certainly were a few months ago anyway) the entire nation to be part of their protest by blocking roads and oil refineries leading to fuel and supply shortages across the country!), and recently have damaged/destroyed timeless historical art , but I guess that's OK with you because of their "motives"?

From the linked article, there's nothing to say that the bikers were being "anti social" or "harassing other road users"
There may be evidence else where to suggest this, but it is not on what you've linked. So I can only base an opinion on what's been linked.

The article seems to imply the A1 was shut for 7 hours due to the accident / clean up / investigation and that a small stretch of the A1 would be subsequently closed for a "short time" at 3:30PM, so maybe this is an hour?

Respectfully it seems like you have a bone to pick and you're making this into a bigger issue or perhaps I'm not understanding your frustration.

Have you booked the full hour argument sir or just the five minute one?

How do you get from me saying "I don't agree with JSO blocking roads" to... "JSO blocking the entire country for their "motives" doesn't annoy you ." The two are complete opposites.

I think you're the one with a bone to pick about JSO, you're the one who started talking about JSO, unprompted. I was simply addressing your comparison between these bell-ends and JSO

Anyhoo, now you mention it, it's interesting that if this was JSO hippies then this thread would have a thousand angry posts by now, but because it's being done for reasons that AREN'T environmental activism it's strangely silent... That's a bit telling.

[donkmeister]

Just in case the point has been missed, it's the biker gang deciding to mince about on the A1 this afternoon without a thought for anyone using the A1, resulting in the main route between two of our capital cities being closed that is the story.

[anonymous-user]

donkmeister said:

Just in case the point has been missed, it's the biker gang deciding to mince about on the A1 this afternoon without a thought for anyone using the A1, resulting in the main route between two of our capital cities being closed that is the story.

For how long? Ten minutes, twenty minutes? A whole hour? We’ll all cope….

[the tribester]

donkmeister said:

Just in case the point has been missed, it's the biker gang deciding to mince about on the A1 this afternoon without a thought for anyone using the A1, resulting in the main route between two of our capital cities being closed that is the story.

'for a short time from approximately 3.30pm'

[donkmeister]

A 30 minute closure of a major trunk route does not cause 30 minutes of problems... There are also two major hospitals on this route.

[CarCrazyDad]

donkmeister said:

Have you booked the full hour argument sir or just the five minute one?

How do you get from me saying "I don't agree with JSO blocking roads" to... "JSO blocking the entire country for their "motives" doesn't annoy you ." The two are complete opposites.

I think you're the one with a bone to pick about JSO, you're the one who started talking about JSO, unprompted. I was simply addressing your comparison between these bell-ends and JSO

Anyhoo, now you mention it, it's interesting that if this was JSO hippies then this thread would have a thousand angry posts by now, but because it's being done for reasons that AREN'T environmental activism it's strangely silent... That's a bit telling.

Plenty of time

I just made an assumption you weren't bothered by the JSO based on you saying you weren't as affected because you can understand their motives so were less bothered by an entire nationwide attack because they had a "good motive" basically

I simply brought up JSO because they are effectively doing what is happening on the A1, but over many weeks and across many major trunk routes so wondered what your viewpoint on those was

I view this like you're getting angry at someone for poking you while giving the person who has stabbed you a free pass

Anyway back to the point, why are you so angry about this, and why are you making assumptions that the bikers were these terrible people?
There's no evidence to support this, so excuse me for being confused as to your own motives.

Also, are you this frustrated when there's an accident of a car ?
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/live-a1m-closed-...

Or was it just because it's a motorcycle?

Or just because it's where you live?

Or is it just because there's an un-organised procession?

Or is it because it's an un-organised procession of motorcyclists?

I'm not being an arse, you seem very frustrated by this and I'm trying to understand why

Edited by CarCrazyDad on Friday 14th October 17:45

[donkmeister]

CarCrazyDad said:

I simply brought up JSO because they are effectively doing what is happening on the A1, but over many weeks and across many major trunk routes so wondered what your viewpoint on those was

I think they're dicks too. But I understand that their's is a positive motivation too. I'd compare JSO gluing hippies to the road as similar to someone shouting at an airline employee at an airport; yes you can understand why the person shouting is annoyed that he's not going on holiday, but you also think he's a dhead because he's shouting at someone who isn't the cause of the situation, and realistically cannot solve the problem either.

Extending that analogy, the biker gang are the scally family holding up the plane because Bazza had six pints of Stella at the Wetherspoons, got aggressive on the plane and is now awaiting airport security to drag him off while Shazza screams and films it for Facebook.

[lost in espace]

I live here at Welwyn next to the A1 and heard them come back about 4.30 in a massive group, quite a noise. We have also had a motorcyclist come off at J6 northbound sliproad, and in Woolmer Green where the motorcyclist must have been very seriously injured because the police are treating it as a crime scene. It was wet earlier, which probably didn't help matters.

[CarCrazyDad]

donkmeister said:

I think they're dicks too. But I understand that their's is a positive motivation too. I'd compare JSO gluing hippies to the road as similar to someone shouting at an airline employee at an airport; yes you can understand why the person shouting is annoyed that he's not going on holiday, but you also think he's a dhead because he's shouting at someone who isn't the cause of the situation, and realistically cannot solve the problem either.

Extending that analogy, the biker gang are the scally family holding up the plane because Bazza had six pints of Stella at the Wetherspoons, got aggressive on the plane and is now awaiting airport security to drag him off while Shazza screams and films it for Facebook.

Ok, so is it not a positive motivation for the motorcyclists to enjoy their hobbies?

Again, you seem to have this idea these motorcyclists were arse holes and recreating road rash - where's the evidence

[donkmeister]

lost in espace said:

I live here at Welwyn next to the A1 and heard them come back about 4.30 in a massive group, quite a noise. We have also had a motorcyclist come off at J6 northbound sliproad, and in Woolmer Green where the motorcyclist must have been very seriously injured because the police are treating it as a crime scene. It was wet earlier, which probably didn't help matters.

Being familiar with Woolmer Green (I used to get a Vauxhall serviced at the dealership there) you'd have to be carrying some serious speed through the 30 zone or very very unlucky to get that response. Hopefully they'll be ok.

[donkmeister]

CarCrazyDad said:

Ok, so is it not a positive motivation for the motorcyclists to enjoy their hobbies?

Does the hobby involve actively intimidating other road users and occasionally dying? Doesn't sound very positive to me.

20ish miles south you have Stevenage, which has big signs up warning of a court order banning cruises all because some idiot couldn't tell where "enjoying his hobby" ended and "criminal negligence" began.

[anonymous-user]

Don’t see what the fuss is about. I live about 2 miles from where they gathered and drove south on the A1 when they were all walking about. Sure it’s a hassle for some of us, just like when somebody disrupts our commute by jumping in front of a train. But it’s nothing compared to the devastation felt by friends and family of the people who died. Nobody sets out to spoil your day.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 14th October 19:33

[CarCrazyDad]

donkmeister said:

Does the hobby involve actively intimidating other road users and occasionally dying? Doesn't sound very positive to me.

20ish miles south you have Stevenage, which has big signs up warning of a court order banning cruises all because some idiot couldn't tell where "enjoying his hobby" ended and "criminal negligence" began.

As I said

Where is the evidence of these people intimidating other road users?

Why are you saying these things - where's the proof? Show me the proof and I'll consider changing my opinion!

It just sounds to little old me like you're a bike hating chap - "get off my lawn" type!

[Red9zero]

wormus said:

Nobody sets out to soil your day.

No st

[lost in espace]

I live here at Welwyn next to the A1 and heard them come back about 4.30 in a massive group, quite a noise. We have also had a motorcyclist come off at J6 northbound sliproad, and in Woolmer Green where the motorcyclist must have been very seriously injured because the police are treating it as a crime scene. It was wet earlier, which probably didn't help matters.