The state of MSM
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I have reached the stage of utter contempt for them all.
We have the publication yesterday from the National Grid of various scenarios that could play out this winter. The worst case is next to impossible to actually happen, but what do MSM do? Yep, that's the one they concentrate on warning of blackouts and comparing to the 1970's. It appears they always want the worst news to publish, and to cause fear, panic and unrest with the public.
We have the publication yesterday from the National Grid of various scenarios that could play out this winter. The worst case is next to impossible to actually happen, but what do MSM do? Yep, that's the one they concentrate on warning of blackouts and comparing to the 1970's. It appears they always want the worst news to publish, and to cause fear, panic and unrest with the public.
The UK media are awful, and I believe at the root of most of our current problems.
Covid for instance could have gone a totally different way if that had presented it correctly and in a more balanced and critical manner, both at the start and through the process.
The more recent stuff with the mini budget has been totally misrepresented, for instance reporting the “crashing pound” 2 days after it had recovered to trend and now blaming the rising interest rates on the same.
They must make it impossible to govern and for our country to move forward with their doom laden, critical and divisive approach.
The amount of anxiety they cause for tens of millions of people with misinformation and stuff which might never happen should be a national scandal. Surely they should bear more responsibility for accuracy?
I need to stop looking at it as the next few years will be even worse.
Covid for instance could have gone a totally different way if that had presented it correctly and in a more balanced and critical manner, both at the start and through the process.
The more recent stuff with the mini budget has been totally misrepresented, for instance reporting the “crashing pound” 2 days after it had recovered to trend and now blaming the rising interest rates on the same.
They must make it impossible to govern and for our country to move forward with their doom laden, critical and divisive approach.
The amount of anxiety they cause for tens of millions of people with misinformation and stuff which might never happen should be a national scandal. Surely they should bear more responsibility for accuracy?
I need to stop looking at it as the next few years will be even worse.
Edited by dmahu on Friday 7th October 05:37
Rufus Stone said:
Sky news have just run through the newspaper front pages. Every one claiming power cuts this winter, even The Times.
Many many people believe what they read there. OFCOM should be clamping down on this deliberate misinformation and scaremongering.
Looking through the headlines there does seem to be a theme of presenting worst case scenarios as fact. That said I also think power cuts are likely as the delusions of the past couple of decades meet reality. Many many people believe what they read there. OFCOM should be clamping down on this deliberate misinformation and scaremongering.
Where the MSM may be damaging in this scenario is creating a mood of hysteria and anxiety. They did far more damage during Covid.
Why do they try to create so much fear though? Is it purely a clickbait thing?
During the early days of covid my mate who is very sensible calm and balanced was insistent that pretty much the entire uk population would be very very ill from it and that I was blind to think it was being sensationalised.
Like now with the Ukraine situation, if I go on my news feed on FB every other post is about nuclear weapons and it’s all from big newspapers but I bet if I bought that paper that particular article wouldn’t be in print.
But how do you have a free press if you try to govern what they say?
During the early days of covid my mate who is very sensible calm and balanced was insistent that pretty much the entire uk population would be very very ill from it and that I was blind to think it was being sensationalised.
Like now with the Ukraine situation, if I go on my news feed on FB every other post is about nuclear weapons and it’s all from big newspapers but I bet if I bought that paper that particular article wouldn’t be in print.
But how do you have a free press if you try to govern what they say?
essexplumber said:
Why do they try to create so much fear though? Is it purely a clickbait thing?
During the early days of covid my mate who is very sensible calm and balanced was insistent that pretty much the entire uk population would be very very ill from it and that I was blind to think it was being sensationalised.
Like now with the Ukraine situation, if I go on my news feed on FB every other post is about nuclear weapons and it’s all from big newspapers but I bet if I bought that paper that particular article wouldn’t be in print.
But how do you have a free press if you try to govern what they say?
Erm, you do realise that the media is just reporting what the president of the United States spoke about yesterday, right? Isn’t that exactly the purpose of the media?During the early days of covid my mate who is very sensible calm and balanced was insistent that pretty much the entire uk population would be very very ill from it and that I was blind to think it was being sensationalised.
Like now with the Ukraine situation, if I go on my news feed on FB every other post is about nuclear weapons and it’s all from big newspapers but I bet if I bought that paper that particular article wouldn’t be in print.
But how do you have a free press if you try to govern what they say?
I like to scan the news over coffee in the morning. However, Sky are reporting 'breaking news' - possible nuclear standoff worse than the Cuban missile crisis. There will be blackouts this winter & the cost of living/mortgage crisis will bankrupt us all. The vulnerable are seemingly totally f
ked & so it goes on... .
A little balance would be nice!
ked & so it goes on... .A little balance would be nice!
Rufus Stone said:
I have reached the stage of utter contempt for them all.
We have the publication yesterday from the National Grid of various scenarios that could play out this winter. The worst case is next to impossible to actually happen, but what do MSM do? Yep, that's the one they concentrate on warning of blackouts and comparing to the 1970's. It appears they always want the worst news to publish, and to cause fear, panic and unrest with the public.
Just interested, have you read the document? Based on the above, it doesn’t seem like you have (or that you haven’t understood it).We have the publication yesterday from the National Grid of various scenarios that could play out this winter. The worst case is next to impossible to actually happen, but what do MSM do? Yep, that's the one they concentrate on warning of blackouts and comparing to the 1970's. It appears they always want the worst news to publish, and to cause fear, panic and unrest with the public.
pghstochaj said:
Erm, you do realise that the media is just reporting what the president of the United States spoke about yesterday, right? Isn’t that exactly the purpose of the media?
I’m taking about the last six months re the fb news feed not the last 24 hours.
In essence I’ve interpreted it as the articles on fb would not all appear in print and seem very extreme in the headlining which makes me think they’re purposely done that way to produce clicks.
pghstochaj said:
Just interested, have you read the document? Based on the above, it doesn’t seem like you have (or that you haven’t understood it).
No I haven't read the actual document. I'm not complaining about the National Grid or what they have published, I'm complaining about MSM.My understanding is they summarised three possibilities, is that incorrect?. Only the worst case scenario has been covered in MSM and pretty much presented as going to happen.
essexplumber said:
pghstochaj said:
Erm, you do realise that the media is just reporting what the president of the United States spoke about yesterday, right? Isn’t that exactly the purpose of the media?
I’m taking about the last six months re the fb news feed not the last 24 hours.
In essence I’ve interpreted it as the articles on fb would not all appear in print and seem very extreme in the headlining which makes me think they’re purposely done that way to produce clicks.
Personally, I have not been drowned in nuclear warnings for the last six months. There is a very real threat that a nuclear weapon is used in Ukraine and that has been regularly discussed. Right now, that risk is very much increased and the media is reporting that increase and Biden’s speech on the same.
essexplumber said:
Why do they try to create so much fear though? Is it purely a clickbait thing?
During the early days of covid my mate who is very sensible calm and balanced was insistent that pretty much the entire uk population would be very very ill from it and that I was blind to think it was being sensationalised.
Like now with the Ukraine situation, if I go on my news feed on FB every other post is about nuclear weapons and it’s all from big newspapers but I bet if I bought that paper that particular article wouldn’t be in print.
But how do you have a free press if you try to govern what they say?
Do you realise how FB and social media algorithms work?During the early days of covid my mate who is very sensible calm and balanced was insistent that pretty much the entire uk population would be very very ill from it and that I was blind to think it was being sensationalised.
Like now with the Ukraine situation, if I go on my news feed on FB every other post is about nuclear weapons and it’s all from big newspapers but I bet if I bought that paper that particular article wouldn’t be in print.
But how do you have a free press if you try to govern what they say?
You get the news feed that it thinks/knows you are interested in.
Ive not seen a single thing on mine about Ukraine or nuclear weapons - although just having typed this it might change ;-)
Rufus Stone said:
pghstochaj said:
Just interested, have you read the document? Based on the above, it doesn’t seem like you have (or that you haven’t understood it).
No I haven't read the actual document. I'm not complaining about the National Grid or what they have published, I'm complaining about MSM.My understanding is they summarised three possibilities, is that incorrect?. Only the worst case scenario has been covered in MSM and pretty much presented as going to happen.
The NG has given a base case and two sensitivity cases. The base case is fine (normal wind, normal import and export, coal back online and so on) but the two sensitivities of reduced import and reduced import plus restricted gas are reasonable scenarios. You must remember when the wind didn’t blow for extended periods in both 2020 and 2021, these things happens.
The NG doesn’t want people to panic but it’s not normal to be restarting coal, implementing new systems to pressure people into reducing load at peak times and then saying rolling black outs will be needed if the sensitivity occurs. This is the NG’s subtle way of saying “if things don’t go as we expect then these things happen”.
It provides times for people to consider if they need to prepare. Hopefully it will be fine but as somebody in power generation, there is a very real risk of issues this winter.
Generally, especially over the last 3 years they have been absolutely awful, pretty much just state propaganda. However the blackout story is probably the only bang on truth they’ve told since 2019, however they should have been talking about this a year ago, not now. Demand needed to be slowed ages ago, we haven’t, energy price caps are helping people not reduce demand and we will have blackouts. This isn’t new news if you’ve been looking around.
Just prepare, have torches, have candles have a board game. It’s not the end of the World. That’s next year.
Just prepare, have torches, have candles have a board game. It’s not the end of the World. That’s next year.
pghstochaj said:
Wow, so you have assumed that the media has sensationalised something without actually reading that something? At least you have admitted it.
The NG has given a base case and two sensitivity cases. The base case is fine (normal wind, normal import and export, coal back online and so on) but the two sensitivities of reduced import and reduced import plus restricted gas are reasonable scenarios. You must remember when the wind didn’t blow for extended periods in both 2020 and 2021, these things happens.
The NG doesn’t want people to panic but it’s not normal to be restarting coal, implementing new systems to pressure people into reducing load at peak times and then saying rolling black outs will be needed if the sensitivity occurs. This is the NG’s subtle way of saying “if things don’t go as we expect then these things happen”.
It provides times for people to consider if they need to prepare. Hopefully it will be fine but as somebody in power generation, there is a very real risk of issues this winter.
So I was correct then, thanks. The NG has given a base case and two sensitivity cases. The base case is fine (normal wind, normal import and export, coal back online and so on) but the two sensitivities of reduced import and reduced import plus restricted gas are reasonable scenarios. You must remember when the wind didn’t blow for extended periods in both 2020 and 2021, these things happens.
The NG doesn’t want people to panic but it’s not normal to be restarting coal, implementing new systems to pressure people into reducing load at peak times and then saying rolling black outs will be needed if the sensitivity occurs. This is the NG’s subtle way of saying “if things don’t go as we expect then these things happen”.
It provides times for people to consider if they need to prepare. Hopefully it will be fine but as somebody in power generation, there is a very real risk of issues this winter.
Rufus Stone said:
pghstochaj said:
Wow, so you have assumed that the media has sensationalised something without actually reading that something? At least you have admitted it.
The NG has given a base case and two sensitivity cases. The base case is fine (normal wind, normal import and export, coal back online and so on) but the two sensitivities of reduced import and reduced import plus restricted gas are reasonable scenarios. You must remember when the wind didn’t blow for extended periods in both 2020 and 2021, these things happens.
The NG doesn’t want people to panic but it’s not normal to be restarting coal, implementing new systems to pressure people into reducing load at peak times and then saying rolling black outs will be needed if the sensitivity occurs. This is the NG’s subtle way of saying “if things don’t go as we expect then these things happen”.
It provides times for people to consider if they need to prepare. Hopefully it will be fine but as somebody in power generation, there is a very real risk of issues this winter.
So I was correct then, thanks. The NG has given a base case and two sensitivity cases. The base case is fine (normal wind, normal import and export, coal back online and so on) but the two sensitivities of reduced import and reduced import plus restricted gas are reasonable scenarios. You must remember when the wind didn’t blow for extended periods in both 2020 and 2021, these things happens.
The NG doesn’t want people to panic but it’s not normal to be restarting coal, implementing new systems to pressure people into reducing load at peak times and then saying rolling black outs will be needed if the sensitivity occurs. This is the NG’s subtle way of saying “if things don’t go as we expect then these things happen”.
It provides times for people to consider if they need to prepare. Hopefully it will be fine but as somebody in power generation, there is a very real risk of issues this winter.
The worst case is next to impossible to actually happen,
There is no worst case, there are three cases, the base and two other. The latter two have supply interruption issues.
No case is next to impossible, all are very much possible. Why would NG propose next to impossible cases?
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