Chris Kaba inquest opened and closed today
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Saw that on the bbc website. It seems the chase was initiated by an unmarked police car without lights or sirens (so basically just a car)
Otherwise, not really sure there's anything more to say than what's been said here already:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
And we need to let the investigation run it's course.
6-9 months is a long time to wait for answers though, especially if it was your kid who had been shot dead.
Otherwise, not really sure there's anything more to say than what's been said here already:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
And we need to let the investigation run it's course.
6-9 months is a long time to wait for answers though, especially if it was your kid who had been shot dead.
Miserablegit said:
BBC now reporting him as
“ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
Listening to Radio 1 this morning, Newsbeat used the phrase "hemmed in". “ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
Miserablegit said:
BBC now reporting him as
“ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
I guess that his profession was as a construction worker rather than a rapper. So I think that makes sense when you see what sort of responses the term "drill rapper" can get in some places on-line. “ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
Miserablegit said:
BBC now reporting him as
“ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
Yesterday they were reporting on the bint who threw s“ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
t all over the Tom Moore statue and didn't mention environmentalism or her motivation at any point in the article. The BBC can't be trusted when it comes to reporting news.As for the idiot in question; methinks stupid games win stupid prizes and the officer will be exonerated.
Jonmx said:
Miserablegit said:
BBC now reporting him as
“ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
Yesterday they were reporting on the bint who threw s“ Construction worker Mr Kaba was due to become a father when he died. ” because, presumably, they’ve realised “drill rapper from gang involved in drugs and guns” doesn’t paint quite the same picture.
t all over the Tom Moore statue and didn't mention environmentalism or her motivation at any point in the article. The BBC can't be trusted when it comes to reporting news.As for the idiot in question; methinks stupid games win stupid prizes and the officer will be exonerated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-6...
Either way, with the Chris Kaba inquest I'm not sure that media articles should be talking of gangs, drugs and guns while the inquest is happening. It's why I prefer the MSM.
Ian Geary said:
Saw that on the bbc website. It seems the chase was initiated by an unmarked police car without lights or sirens (so basically just a car)
Otherwise, not really sure there's anything more to say than what's been said here already:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
And we need to let the investigation run it's course.
6-9 months is a long time to wait for answers though, especially if it was your kid who had been shot dead.
No, it was an unmarked Armed Response vehicle with an advanced driver and full covert emergency equipment, most likely an X5 or an XC90 Otherwise, not really sure there's anything more to say than what's been said here already:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
And we need to let the investigation run it's course.
6-9 months is a long time to wait for answers though, especially if it was your kid who had been shot dead.
IOPC said:
According to police logs and accounts received to date by officers, the Audi was recognised by officers parked at the side of the A202 in Camberwell Green in an unmarked armed response vehicle (ARV). The officers then started to follow the vehicle and circulated this via police airwaves at around 9.52pm.
Officers continued to follow the Audi until 10.07pm. The officers did not activate their lights or sirens while following the vehicle. The intention was to use an ‘enforced stop extraction’ on the Audi.
At around 10.07pm, Mr Kaba made a left turn from New Park Road onto Kirkstall Gardens. Already present on Kirkstall Gardens was a marked police armed response vehicle. The marked ARV had parked on Kirkstall Gardens with the intention of joining the other police vehicles behind the Audi once it had passed the junction.
Further :
Once Mr Kaba made the left turn the decision was taken to perform an ‘inline extraction’. Armed officers exited their vehicles and approached the Audi. The evidence suggests that contact was made between the Audi driven by Mr Kaba and the police vehicles.
The evidence further suggests that officer NX121 was standing to the front of Mr Kaba’s vehicle. A single shot was fired by officer NX121 piercing the front windscreen of the vehicle Mr Kaba was driving and struck him.
My reading of the IOPC statement is that there was no “pursuit” ie a high speed “car chase”
There seems to have been a covert follow by an unmarked vehicle until the Audi turned into a road which already had a marked police car stopped in it, in front of it
The officer’s from the police vehicles in front and behind got out and approached the Audi on foot
Edited by Earthdweller on Tuesday 4th October 15:13
Earthdweller said:
Ian Geary said:
Saw that on the bbc website. It seems the chase was initiated by an unmarked police car without lights or sirens (so basically just a car)
Otherwise, not really sure there's anything more to say than what's been said here already:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
And we need to let the investigation run it's course.
6-9 months is a long time to wait for answers though, especially if it was your kid who had been shot dead.
No, it was an unmarked Armed Response vehicle with an advanced driver and full covert emergency equipment, most likely an X5 or an XC90 Otherwise, not really sure there's anything more to say than what's been said here already:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
And we need to let the investigation run it's course.
6-9 months is a long time to wait for answers though, especially if it was your kid who had been shot dead.
IOPC said:
According to police logs and accounts received to date by officers, the Audi was recognised by officers parked at the side of the A202 in Camberwell Green in an unmarked armed response vehicle (ARV). The officers then started to follow the vehicle and circulated this via police airwaves at around 9.52pm.
Officers continued to follow the Audi until 10.07pm. The officers did not activate their lights or sirens while following the vehicle. The intention was to use an ‘enforced stop extraction’ on the Audi.
At around 10.07pm, Mr Kaba made a left turn from New Park Road onto Kirkstall Gardens. Already present on Kirkstall Gardens was a marked police armed response vehicle. The marked ARV had parked on Kirkstall Gardens with the intention of joining the other police vehicles behind the Audi once it had passed the junction.
Further :
Once Mr Kaba made the left turn the decision was taken to perform an ‘inline extraction’. Armed officers exited their vehicles and approached the Audi. The evidence suggests that contact was made between the Audi driven by Mr Kaba and the police vehicles.
The evidence further suggests that officer NX121 was standing to the front of Mr Kaba’s vehicle. A single shot was fired by officer NX121 piercing the front windscreen of the vehicle Mr Kaba was driving and struck him.
My reading of the IOPC statement is that there was no “pursuit” ie a high speed “car chase”
There seems to have been a covert follow by an unmarked vehicle until the Audi turned into a road which already had a marked police car stopped in it, in front of it
The officer’s from the police vehicles in front and behind got out and approached the Audi on foot
Edited by Earthdweller on Tuesday 4th October 15:13
Earthdweller said:
Bigends said:
Looks like there may have been a pursuit involving the marked car had he not, by luck, turned into the road they were sitting up in
Indeed, and at which point their hands were forced into a foot strike Bigends said:
Yep, so if no dangerous high speed pursuit around the streets of London ( as I assumed had been the case) prior to him turning into that side street, Police actions were based purely on what happened in that short period of time after the stop in that side street.
Yup, it would seem so Action and reaction in probably a very short time frame, officers exited vehicles on foot and approached to contact weapons drawn ( my presumption) and following that, from the IOPC statement the Audi made contact with the Police vehicles, ( again my presumption ) whilst their crews were on foot between the Audi and the stationary ARV’s front and rear )
Certainly there is more coming out and not as originally portrayed in the media
Electro1980 said:
Earthdweller said:
not as originally portrayed in the media
Really? My impression is that the media stated the facts and lots of people made (incorrect) assumptions about what happened.Evening standard :
“Chris Kaba, who was due to become a father within months, died folowing a pursuit that ended in Streatham Hill, on Monday night.”
Sky News :
10 Sept 2022 — Father-to-be Chris Kaba, 24, died in hospital after being shot by police officers following a car chase in south London.
Daily Mail :
12 Sept 2022 — Mr Kaba, 24, was unarmed when he died following a car chase in South London on Monday, September 5. The firearms officer who shot him was ..
I could go on and on but hopefully you get the point .
From the IOPC statement issued today it is clear there was no pursuit/car chase
Earthdweller said:
Electro1980 said:
Earthdweller said:
not as originally portrayed in the media
Really? My impression is that the media stated the facts and lots of people made (incorrect) assumptions about what happened.Evening standard :
“Chris Kaba, who was due to become a father within months, died folowing a pursuit that ended in Streatham Hill, on Monday night.”
Sky News :
10 Sept 2022 — Father-to-be Chris Kaba, 24, died in hospital after being shot by police officers following a car chase in south London.
Daily Mail :
12 Sept 2022 — Mr Kaba, 24, was unarmed when he died following a car chase in South London on Monday, September 5. The firearms officer who shot him was ..
I could go on and on but hopefully you get the point .
From the IOPC statement issued today it is clear there was no pursuit/car chase
Edited by Bigends on Tuesday 4th October 17:48
Copied from elsewhere,
Kaba had previously served a four year prison sentence after being convicted of possessing an imitation firearm.
But it has now emerged that in August 2020, after he had got out of jail, he was caught driving without insurance with a knife in his car.
Because the offences were committed while he was still on licence, he received an extra five months in custody.
Court records also show that in April this year, Mr Kaba was served with a 28-day domestic violence protection order relating to the mother of his unborn child barring him from contacting her on social media or entering the street where she lives.
Kaba had previously served a four year prison sentence after being convicted of possessing an imitation firearm.
But it has now emerged that in August 2020, after he had got out of jail, he was caught driving without insurance with a knife in his car.
Because the offences were committed while he was still on licence, he received an extra five months in custody.
Court records also show that in April this year, Mr Kaba was served with a 28-day domestic violence protection order relating to the mother of his unborn child barring him from contacting her on social media or entering the street where she lives.
- If his previous offence was in 2019, wouldn’t he still have been on licence at the time of his death?
freedman said:
Copied from elsewhere,
Kaba had previously served a four year prison sentence after being convicted of possessing an imitation firearm.
But it has now emerged that in August 2020, after he had got out of jail, he was caught driving without insurance with a knife in his car.
Because the offences were committed while he was still on licence, he received an extra five months in custody.
Court records also show that in April this year, Mr Kaba was served with a 28-day domestic violence protection order relating to the mother of his unborn child barring him from contacting her on social media or entering the street where she lives.
Does his girlfriend live in Kirkstall gardens, it seems strange that a police car just happened to be in the road where he ended up...Kaba had previously served a four year prison sentence after being convicted of possessing an imitation firearm.
But it has now emerged that in August 2020, after he had got out of jail, he was caught driving without insurance with a knife in his car.
Because the offences were committed while he was still on licence, he received an extra five months in custody.
Court records also show that in April this year, Mr Kaba was served with a 28-day domestic violence protection order relating to the mother of his unborn child barring him from contacting her on social media or entering the street where she lives.
- If his previous offence was in 2019, wouldn’t he still have been on licence at the time of his death?
Vanden Saab said:
Does his girlfriend live in Kirkstall gardens, it seems strange that a police car just happened to be in the road where he ended up...
Not strange at all .. ARV moved into position to intercept the covert follow ( happens all the time, every day ) From the IOPC report, it was waiting in kirkstall Gardens for the target vehicle to pass the junction before pulling out behind it on the main road
But, as we now know , it turned into KG and was face to face with the ARV
KG was not, it seems the location of a pre planned strike on the vehicle, rather a happen of circumstance
Earthdweller said:
Yes Really …
I could go on and on but hopefully you get the point .
Wind your neck in. I asked a reasonable question. Attitudes like that is why discussions always end up in arguments. I could go on and on but hopefully you get the point .
The reason I ask is because the BBC said:
“Officers said they were pursuing a "suspect vehicle" at about 21:50 BST on Monday and ended the chase by making "tactical contact" in Kirkstall Gardens, Streatham Hill.“
They state that the officers had said they were pursuing. Sounds to me like some officer has tried to sound unnecessarily formal and clever which has ended up with bad communication when the media have quite reasonable taken “We were pursuing“ to mean “we were in pursuit of”. That seems to me to be a failure to communicate by the police rather than the media miss representing things.
Electro1980 said:
Wind your neck in. I asked a reasonable question. Attitudes like that is why discussions always end up in arguments.
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Starting a response with “Really?” is saying you don’t believe the poster and are questioning the credibility of the post and that post being distant from the reality .. and is actually you starting an argument s.
Phrase your question politely and you might get a differently worded response ..
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