Don’t touch foreigners! Are you serious?

[anonymous-user]

Imagine if something like this was said by a U.K. official.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/18/china/china-mon...

[Rivenink]

cc3 said:

Imagine if something like this was said by a U.K. official.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/18/china/china-mon...

I'd imagine if it was said by a UK Official, people would think them xenophobic, authoritarian and shortly to be looking for a new job.

Given a choice between living in China and the UK, I'm quite certain where I'd like to live.

[gruffalo]

most are OK, you just need to watch out for the French;-)

[Jasandjules]

I see there are many who live sheltered lives and have no idea how racist many people around the world are.... All too many think only English can be racist. Sad.

[GroundZero]

Jasandjules said:

I see there are many who live sheltered lives and have no idea how racist many people around the world are.... All too many think only English can be racist. Sad.

True.
The UK is indeed one of the least racist nations on the planet.
I think many simply have not ventured outside of our borders to realise what the world is, and instead only feed on the extremist political activism that infests our society.

[ZedLeg]

Using this story to try and prove we're less racist than China is an incredible take

[tangerine_sedge]

what he actually said:

"Do not have skin-to-skin contact with foreigners."

The CDC said:

Monkeypox can spread to anyone through close, personal, often skin-to-skin contact, including:

Direct contact with monkeypox rash, scabs, or body fluids from a person with monkeypox.Touching objects, fabrics (clothing, bedding, or towels), and surfaces that have been used by someone with monkeypox.Contact with respiratory secretions.

This direct contact can happen during intimate contact, including:

Oral, anal, and vaginal sex or touching the genitals (penis, testicles, labia, and vagina) or anus (butthole) of a person with monkeypox.Hugging, massage, and kissing.Prolonged face-to-face contact.Touching fabrics and objects during sex that were used by a person with monkeypox and that have not been disinfected, such as bedding, towels, fetish gear, and sex toys.

His advice is a bit blunt, but is in alignment with CDC advice (above). Perhaps he shouldn't have said 'foreigners', but I don't think it's inherently racist.

I'm intrigued to know which of the words above are going to trigger the censor

edit : None of them apparently

[Superflow]

The last thing we want is another Chinavirus variant.

[SmoothCriminal]

Rather than giving out advice like that they should improve the security protocols at their Wuhan labs

[Disastrous]

ZedLeg said:

Using this story to try and prove we're less racist than China is an incredible take

I mean, the UK has it’s problems but ‘we’ (as a homogenous generalization) are 100 times less racist than China. That’s not even a debate surely!?

[fido]

tangerine_sedge said:

His advice is a bit blunt, but is in alignment with CDC advice (above). Perhaps he shouldn't have said 'foreigners', but I don't think it's inherently racist.

Reminds me of the incident concerning a certain ex-racing driver. Dumb media do a direct translate and create a story that isn't there. Clearly it's not meant to mean citizens of another country who happen live/work there, but someone who's just recently arrived, passing through, on holiday etc. which is sort of commonsense really. Arguably it's become so PC-here (which isn't the same as less racist) that you can't even say what you want to say even though it's 100% factual.

Edited by fido on Tuesday 20th September 11:26

[ZedLeg]

Disastrous said:

ZedLeg said:

Using this story to try and prove we're less racist than China is an incredible take

I mean, the UK has it’s problems but ‘we’ (as a homogenous generalization) are 100 times less racist than China. That’s not even a debate surely!?

It's an ongoing discussion that's been going on through a few threads. Some think that because we are less racist than other racist countries we're doing fine.

It misses the point that the goal shouldn't be "we're less racist than those people" but to not be racist.

[GroundZero]

ZedLeg said:

Disastrous said:

ZedLeg said:

Using this story to try and prove we're less racist than China is an incredible take

I mean, the UK has it’s problems but ‘we’ (as a homogenous generalization) are 100 times less racist than China. That’s not even a debate surely!?

It's an ongoing discussion that's been going on through a few threads. Some think that because we are less racist than other racist countries we're doing fine.

It misses the point that the goal shouldn't be "we're less racist than those people" but to not be racist.

But you have to admit that you also miss an important point, that ending racism in its every occurrence is impossible. There will always be racists in society and you can't eradicate them all. So this will always lead to cases of racism in the future. What we can do as a society is reduce it as far as is reasonable practicable. And I think the UK has made huge progress on this, and comparing to other states around the world is a great example of how far we've come.
Its a shame you think otherwise, or think on absolutist terms.

[ZedLeg]

There's no harm in setting a goal that is very hard to achieve if you're still working towards it. Better than sitting on our laurels because we're doing better than a country that is currently actively involved in genocide.

[Jasandjules]

ZedLeg said:

Using this story to try and prove we're less racist than China is an incredible take

Go to China. Then get back to me on whether we are less racist.

Better yet, work in China, maybe in a rural area.. Or work for say a Chinese bank, in London. See just how open about such things they are, even at interview...

[ZedLeg]

Jasandjules said:

ZedLeg said:

Using this story to try and prove we're less racist than China is an incredible take

Go to China. Then get back to me on whether we are less racist.

Better yet, work in China, maybe in a rural area.. Or work for say a Chinese bank, in London. See just how open about such things they are, even at interview...

Show me where I said I thought we were more racist than China? My incredulity was at the general tone of the thread.

[vikingaero]

ZedLeg said:

Jasandjules said:

ZedLeg said:

Using this story to try and prove we're less racist than China is an incredible take

Go to China. Then get back to me on whether we are less racist.

Better yet, work in China, maybe in a rural area.. Or work for say a Chinese bank, in London. See just how open about such things they are, even at interview...

Show me where I said I thought we were more racist than China? My incredulity was at the general tone of the thread.

The simple fact is that The Chinese are an incredibly racist society, but the racism is applies to all races!

[fido]

vikingaero said:

The simple fact is that The Chinese are an incredibly racist society, but the racism is applies to all races!

That’s not true at all. India (and other countries in Asia like South Korea) are far worse for example. The Washington Post did a survey and it’s middle ranking for intolerance. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/) I have a friend from L.S.E. who is going to work there in a few weeks. She’s ginger and manages fine ..

[vikingaero]

fido said:

vikingaero said:

The simple fact is that The Chinese are an incredibly racist society, but the racism is applies to all races!

That’s not true at all. India (and other countries in Asia like South Korea) are far worse for example. The Washington Post did a survey and it’s middle ranking for intolerance. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/) I have a friend from L.S.E. who is going to work there in a few weeks. She’s ginger and manages fine ..

The Chinese have lots of words for foreigners - huq-gweih for black people (black ghost), paq-gweih for white people (white ghost), arr-charr for Indian/Pakistanis etc etc. The younger generation are tolerant, but the older generation are horrifically racist. But hey, I defer to your survey.

[VR99]

A lot of blanket statements on this thread...how anyone can say with certainty that a 'whole' country is more racist than another is beyond me. I think the reality is likely more nuanced. There is racism in different forms everywhere and at differing levels. As a non-caucasian myself, I would say that the UK is on the whole more tolerant and fair than China, no doubt about it. China's human rights record is abysmal and the same applies to the type of characters they prop up in other developing countries e.g: corrupt families/dictator types who also have good form for atrocious human rights records.

As for India being more racist than China or vice versa, I don't see how a survey can give us an accurate view. I will say that the racism in India tends to be nuanced in certain ways e.g: based on religion, caste and colourism..that last one is prevalent in all South Asian countries/cultures but the younger generations are getting better. Certain sections of older generations especially in China and India are just as bad as each other IMO but I will take that a step further and say it's probably no worse than the most racist folks in the UK, just more blatant perhaps.

The UK is not perfect and in some places the racism has got worse (IMO) but overall certainly better than parts of Eastern Europe and Europe generally. The key differentiator for me in the UK is individual rights, equality and rule of law...appreciate not everyone will agree but it's miles ahead of some other countries.