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[GranpaB]

What the actual fk is wrong with society?

Surely these little sts can be identified from all the footage?

I fking despair.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62722082

[Cold]

The police (lack of) response is sadly predictable. Unfortunately, what may happen next could be vigilante action.

[dai1983]

Does the B in your username stand for Bernard or maybe Brian?

[GranpaB]

Cold said:

The police (lack of) response is sadly predictable. Unfortunately, what may happen next could be vigilante action.

Yes, it certainly looks that way from what the article was saying, and i think it won't just stop at this either. Many people are getting frustrated at the lack of support from all forces, although i suppose some are lacking more than others.

[F1GTRUeno]

Keep electing those that remove police officers from the streets and take away funding and this is what happens.

[105.4]

F1GTRUeno said:

Keep electing those that remove police officers from the streets and take away funding and this is what happens.

That’s odd, because we can go all the way back to the mantra of ”tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”, uttered by Labour PM Tony Blair, to find an ingrained culture within the Police and Social Services to overlook, hide, fail to investigate and even assist the offenders in cases of the most appalling, sickening and repulsive crimes against children as young as eight years old. This was in scores of towns and cities across the UK, (I was running a pub in Eastwood, Rotherham during the late 90’s. Everyone knew what was happening. Everyone knew the Police weren’t interested in the slightest).

By that metric, having a Conservative PM has little to do with it.

In my experience, expect absolutely nothing from the Police and the wider Justice System and you won’t be disappointed, regardless of which party resides in No:10.

[F1GTRUeno]

105.4 said:

That’s odd, because we can go all the way back to the mantra of ”tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”, uttered by Labour PM Tony Blair, to find an ingrained culture within the Police and Social Services to overlook, hide, fail to investigate and even assist the offenders in cases of the most appalling, sickening and repulsive crimes against children as young as eight years old. This was in scores of towns and cities across the UK, (I was running a pub in Eastwood, Rotherham during the late 90’s. Everyone knew what was happening. Everyone knew the Police weren’t interested in the slightest).

By that metric, having a Conservative PM has little to do with it.

In my experience, expect absolutely nothing from the Police and the wider Justice System and you won’t be disappointed, regardless of which party resides in No:10.

I didn't say anything about solely electing Conservatives did I?

I only mentioned that if you keep electing people that neglect the policing in this country then you end up with neglectful police.

Unless you're suggesting only Conservatives remove officers from the street and withdraw funding?

[faa77]

F1GTRUeno said:

Keep electing those that remove police officers from the streets and take away funding and this is what happens.

So why doesn't such crime happen in hamlets and villages, where there are no police?

[faa77]

"Two of those in the attack would later receive a voluntary caution."

Pretty certain the police are making up their own rules. I can't see the CPS approving that. Assault is assault.

[greygoose]

F1GTRUeno said:

Keep electing those that remove police officers from the streets and take away funding and this is what happens.

Indeed, according to Home Office figures there were 264 police per 100,000 people in 2011 and in 2022 there are 235 per 100,000.

[Vasco]

GranpaB said:

What the actual fk is wrong with society?

Surely these little sts can be identified from all the footage?

I fking despair.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62722082

Yes, I saw that footage. With little/no support from the police I can see more mothers taking action. Some fathers accidentally cuffing a few ears used to be very effective.
I can see a steady return to local policing being carried out by the local population in some areas (despite the various concerns that would also raise)

[Al Gorithum]

Bullies only understand one language. If that happened to anyone in my orbit, there would be severe retribution.

[F1GTRUeno]

faa77 said:

So why doesn't such crime happen in hamlets and villages, where there are no police?

Less tts live in hamlets and villages so police presence isn't needed?

Demographics and the resultant need for police to cope with the culture in built up places versus leafy, sleepy corners of the world.

[Mr Whippy]

105.4 said:

F1GTRUeno said:

Keep electing those that remove police officers from the streets and take away funding and this is what happens.

That’s odd, because we can go all the way back to the mantra of ”tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”, uttered by Labour PM Tony Blair, to find an ingrained culture within the Police and Social Services to overlook, hide, fail to investigate and even assist the offenders in cases of the most appalling, sickening and repulsive crimes against children as young as eight years old. This was in scores of towns and cities across the UK, (I was running a pub in Eastwood, Rotherham during the late 90’s. Everyone knew what was happening. Everyone knew the Police weren’t interested in the slightest).

By that metric, having a Conservative PM has little to do with it.

In my experience, expect absolutely nothing from the Police and the wider Justice System and you won’t be disappointed, regardless of which party resides in No:10.

At least some people are seeing through the divisive partisan nonsense and realising this is a failure in government, not the party!

Police need to start doing shock and awe responses to some of these things, as doing nothing is simply enabling the next level of “what can we get away with” behaviour.

[Dibble]

Looks like those involved have been dealt/are being dealt with as per current government/MoJ/Youth Justice Board policy. Whether one agrees with those policies is of course open to debate.

https://twitter.com/ChorleyPolice/status/156536697...

[Don Roque]

Imagine having to follow the rules when dealing with criminals. Britain is broken. Give them the birch.

[272BHP]

The actual violence depicted has happened in every town and every school and every street since about forever. The only difference I guess is that we now have kids filming it on camera phones and are sharing it on social media.

In the milder cases not really a matter that should involve police time - get the schools and parents to sort it out.

[satfinal]

faa77 said:

So why doesn't such crime happen in hamlets and villages, where there are no police?

you cant be for real surely

[Murph7355]

The guidelines are wrong if they're allowing those who do this st to get off pretty much scott free.

There need to be serious consequences to doing this.

A hefty degree of parental responsibility needs to be applied - caught once, parents and kid cautioned. Caught twice, both parent and kid charged properly and put through the system.

Giving "damages" to their victims should also be looked at - they obviously have phones. No doubt other ste too. Remove it all, proceeds to victims.

Some public naming and shaming wouldn't hurt either. Post your stupid video online? The next response to it is from the police, noting you've been caught, stripped of valuables, have had your "chance" and anyone else doing it will get the same. A suitably sad faced mug shot to be posted too.

The balance between the rights of those breaking the law and their victims seems out of whack. We could have 50% more police and it wouldn't change this if that post is anything to go by.