University Double Standards

[irc]

A Telegraph reader who lives in Europe reports that his son received two offers for the same course at the same university.

"Christopher, who lives in mainland Europe, tells me his son received one British offer (high grades) and one Overseas offer (lower grades, loads more money) for the same course at the same Russell Group university. Christopher’s son is extremely academic and, luckily, he made the British A-level grades. Well done, him! But what an indictment, eh?"

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I have no objection at to UK universities taking foreign students but should they not be meeting the same entry requirements? Or does money talk?

[philv]

It seems they would prefer the non uk students in order to increase funding.
They are actively trying to reduce the number of uk students.

[rodericb]

Money talks. Look on the bright side though - UK students will be able to test their mettle completing the bulk of group assignments. What doesn't kill me etcetera.....

[thebraketester]

irc said:

A Telegraph reader who lives in Europe reports that his son received two offers for the same course at the same university.

"Christopher, who lives in mainland Europe, tells me his son received one British offer (high grades) and one Overseas offer (lower grades, loads more money) for the same course at the same Russell Group university. Christopher’s son is extremely academic and, luckily, he made the British A-level grades. Well done, him! But what an indictment, eh?"

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I have no objection at to UK universities taking foreign students but should they not be meeting the same entry requirements? Or does money talk?

Nothing new here. It has always happened.

[CharlieCrocodile]

Universities are businesses now and have been for some time.

[Mr Dendrite]

CharlieCrocodile said:

Universities are businesses now and have been for some time.

Except Universities have exempt charitable status under UK law. Can’t have it both ways, either they are there for UK students and foreign income is cream on top or lose the tax status and operate as a business.
But agree it’s nothing new, Imperial college got a queens award for export around 1990 due to the percentage of its income coming from overseas students.

[DMN]

Finally a Brexit win!

Rejoice! Just rejoice!11ONE!!!

[Murph7355]

irc said:

A Telegraph reader who lives in Europe reports that his son received two offers for the same course at the same university.

"Christopher, who lives in mainland Europe, tells me his son received one British offer (high grades) and one Overseas offer (lower grades, loads more money) for the same course at the same Russell Group university. Christopher’s son is extremely academic and, luckily, he made the British A-level grades. Well done, him! But what an indictment, eh?"

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrap...

I have no objection at to UK universities taking foreign students but should they not be meeting the same entry requirements? Or does money talk?

A student's biggest objective should be the outcome. Getting in is only the start.

[Mobile Chicane]

It has been the case ever since I was at University in the 1980s that overseas students received lower grade offers than British ones.

[Skeptisk]

irc said:

A Telegraph reader who lives in Europe reports that his son received two offers for the same course at the same university.

"Christopher, who lives in mainland Europe, tells me his son received one British offer (high grades) and one Overseas offer (lower grades, loads more money) for the same course at the same Russell Group university. Christopher’s son is extremely academic and, luckily, he made the British A-level grades. Well done, him! But what an indictment, eh?"

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrap...

I have no objection at to UK universities taking foreign students but should they not be meeting the same entry requirements? Or does money talk?

Of course it had to be the Telegraph. Even after Brexit they have to find some way to bash Jonny Foreigner and blame them for all our problems.

If he lives in Europe why doesn’t he go to a local university? If he has EU residence/passport there are lots of other countries you can study at and pay less than the UK. Irrespective of cost there are some great universities on mainland Europe too.

If you want to make a fuss how complaining about British citizens who have to pay overseas rates (like my daughter) just because their parents have had jobs taking them around the world?

[JagLover]

thebraketester said:

irc said:

A Telegraph reader who lives in Europe reports that his son received two offers for the same course at the same university.

"Christopher, who lives in mainland Europe, tells me his son received one British offer (high grades) and one Overseas offer (lower grades, loads more money) for the same course at the same Russell Group university. Christopher’s son is extremely academic and, luckily, he made the British A-level grades. Well done, him! But what an indictment, eh?"

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrap...

I have no objection at to UK universities taking foreign students but should they not be meeting the same entry requirements? Or does money talk?

Nothing new here. It has always happened.

Yes cannot really see the issue here. Foreign students who pay help subsidise the rest as what the state pays per student often isn't covering the cost. Now we have left the EU there is a new source of foreign students who pay in the form of EU students who want to come here. Good news for the universities as far as I can see.

[smifffymoto]

Even if you live abroad,if you have a UK passport you qualify for student loans and bursaries if you meet the requirements. So all is not lost.

[Electro1980]

Mr Dendrite said:

CharlieCrocodile said:

Universities are businesses now and have been for some time.

Except Universities have exempt charitable status under UK law. Can’t have it both ways, either they are there for UK students and foreign income is cream on top or lose the tax status and operate as a business.
But agree it’s nothing new, Imperial college got a queens award for export around 1990 due to the percentage of its income coming from overseas students.

Charitable status does not mean they have to operate at a loss. All charities are businesses by definition. Charitable status is a status of a business based on its activities and strugture.

Universities are not there for UK students, they are there for the promotion of scholarship, education and research. They are private businesses, and always have been. The government buys services from them through payment of fees. The government are no longer paying enough to fund the courses so universities are having to find the money elsewhere.

[Tyre Smoke]

Doesn't just apply to foreign students. My son had an offer from Bristol to read History, AAA because he went to public school and his postcode. At the open day he met a state school girl from Hereford who only needed ABB for the same course.

[The Wookie]

thebraketester said:

Nothing new here. It has always happened.

Been going on for years, I was at Bath Uni in the early 2000’s, it was (still is I think) one of the best computer science unis in the country and about a third of the course was wealthy Chinese students who could barely speak English and were a pain to get lumped with on group projects because they didn’t have a clue

[Electro1980]

Tyre Smoke said:

Doesn't just apply to foreign students. My son had an offer from Bristol to read History, AAA because he went to public school and his postcode. At the open day he met a state school girl from Hereford who only needed ABB for the same course.

The whole point in offers is that they are individual and will differ from student to student. You have no idea what else the girl he met had done.

[bitchstewie]

There was something on LBC the other day about universities wanting to see the tuition cap for UK students raised.

Something about inflation and it hasn't increased in real terms for years but it touched on how some universities want to be able to bring it closer to the overseas fees.

Didn't pay loads of attention as it doesn't impact me but the overall picture seemed to be they have to run as businesses these days.

[Abdul Abulbul Amir]

DMN said:

Finally a Brexit win!

Rejoice! Just rejoice!11ONE!!!

Please go and join the other tts on the brexit thread.

[Tyre Smoke]

Electro1980 said:

Tyre Smoke said:

Doesn't just apply to foreign students. My son had an offer from Bristol to read History, AAA because he went to public school and his postcode. At the open day he met a state school girl from Hereford who only needed ABB for the same course.

The whole point in offers is that they are individual and will differ from student to student. You have no idea what else the girl he met had done.

No need to be quite so salty. I wasn't suggesting anything otherwise.

[98elise]

Tyre Smoke said:

Doesn't just apply to foreign students. My son had an offer from Bristol to read History, AAA because he went to public school and his postcode. At the open day he met a state school girl from Hereford who only needed ABB for the same course.

Same for medical school. My daughter wanted to become a doctor but didn't get the grades. If I wasn't working or moved to the right postcode she would have qualified.