Are people more politically aware than pre-pandemic?
Discussion
I used to spend time on PH largely in The Lounge but of late am much more inclined on this forum.
I get the sense (anecdotal) that people, not just on PH are more into Politics than they were.
Am I right or wrong?
I know I can truly only speak for myself but am interested in others thoughts.
Ta.
I get the sense (anecdotal) that people, not just on PH are more into Politics than they were.
Am I right or wrong?
I know I can truly only speak for myself but am interested in others thoughts.
Ta.
Yes. Politicians screwed everyone’s life up by imposing lots of largely pointless laws and rules. Everybody was affected so everybody has become more aware.
Unfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
Unfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
I think that the problem for the government was that the response to covid wasn't really something that could be justified on political left/right or conservative/labour grounds. So what they decided to do has inevitably upset as many people as it pleased. Hence the subsequent political kerfuffle. I'm not sure it will change anyone's voting habits though.
Yes people are more politically active now...
But sorry conspiracy theorists it's nothing to do with your COVID conspiracy theories. The majority of people were fine with it, understood it and are now over it and getting on with their lives. I suggest you do the same.
More to do with the fact that the US and UK have had years of their top elected representatives breaking laws, not just with impunity but openly and proudly whilst whipping up populist support to cover for it.
This has alarmed a great many people who would ordinarily be apathetic to the boring subject of their governance.
Trump and Boris have caused this, which is not necessarily a bad thing as both have been depending on voter apathy to stay in power for too long.
But sorry conspiracy theorists it's nothing to do with your COVID conspiracy theories. The majority of people were fine with it, understood it and are now over it and getting on with their lives. I suggest you do the same.
More to do with the fact that the US and UK have had years of their top elected representatives breaking laws, not just with impunity but openly and proudly whilst whipping up populist support to cover for it.
This has alarmed a great many people who would ordinarily be apathetic to the boring subject of their governance.
Trump and Boris have caused this, which is not necessarily a bad thing as both have been depending on voter apathy to stay in power for too long.
I guess so, in the sense that I now don't believe a word I hear on TV, The Science or Politicians. I view everything cynically thinking 'what's in it for them...is there money to be made'. The answer is pretty much always 'yes'.
Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
Timothy Bucktu said:
I guess so, in the sense that I now don't believe a word I hear on TV, The Science or Politicians. I view everything cynically thinking 'what's in it for them...is there money to be made'. The answer is pretty much always 'yes'.
Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
To risk an obvious Cliche 'me too'Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
It's the same media led hysteria now - 'heatwave' (a day or two) - every day my mrs comes at me with another media led drama, as she's not working and therefore gets fed MSM all day
God help us all
captain_cynic said:
Yes people are more politically active now...
But sorry conspiracy theorists it's nothing to do with your COVID conspiracy theories. The majority of people were fine with it, understood it and are now over it and getting on with their lives. I suggest you do the same.
More to do with the fact that the US and UK have had years of their top elected representatives breaking laws, not just with impunity but openly and proudly whilst whipping up populist support to cover for it.
This has alarmed a great many people who would ordinarily be apathetic to the boring subject of their governance.
Trump and Boris have caused this, which is not necessarily a bad thing as both have been depending on voter apathy to stay in power for too long.
Fully agree, although dare I add Brexit? But sorry conspiracy theorists it's nothing to do with your COVID conspiracy theories. The majority of people were fine with it, understood it and are now over it and getting on with their lives. I suggest you do the same.
More to do with the fact that the US and UK have had years of their top elected representatives breaking laws, not just with impunity but openly and proudly whilst whipping up populist support to cover for it.
This has alarmed a great many people who would ordinarily be apathetic to the boring subject of their governance.
Trump and Boris have caused this, which is not necessarily a bad thing as both have been depending on voter apathy to stay in power for too long.
Douglas Quaid said:
Yes. Politicians screwed everyone’s life up by imposing lots of largely pointless laws and rules. Everybody was affected so everybody has become more aware.
Unfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
But nobody is blaming the inflation and all of the resulting broken systems and secondary impacts on the Covid response. They’ve successfully managed to pin it on Putin. It’s bizarre. Unfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
captain_cynic said:
But sorry conspiracy theorists it's nothing to do with your COVID conspiracy theories. The majority of people were fine with it, understood it and are now over it and getting on with their lives. I suggest you do the same.
Yes, people supported it. This support led to printing £400+ billion pounds and closing down the economy which is now leading to record breaking inflation and massive disruption in areas such as NHS, travel industry, workforce changes etc. I was “over it” about a month after it started, but the current mess is clearly the bill becoming due.
Edited by dmahon on Thursday 11th August 05:37
Timothy Bucktu said:
I guess so, in the sense that I now don't believe a word I hear on TV, The Science or Politicians. I view everything cynically thinking 'what's in it for them...is there money to be made'. The answer is pretty much always 'yes'.
Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
Anyone using the phrase “The Science” immediately identifies themselves as “The Numpty”Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
It’s tiresome.
Instead we have factoids garnered from “The YouTube” or “The Twitter” Instead of genuine expertise.
Yeah… good choice.
Yes, and no. From a personal point of view I am a bit more aware however totally disenfranchised and wouldn’t trust a single one of them, self servient, trough feeding egomaniacs - all that changes is the colour of the rosette. Living north of Hadrians Wall, I wouldn’t waste my last dribble of pish on Sturgeon and her band of dunderheids if they were on fire......
However, I do think voting should be compulsory, with non compliance punishable by fine but with one caveat. There should be a ‘none of the above’ option on every ballot paper. Then and only then would we get a true picture, and cut out the nonsense of claiming victory with 51% of The vote on a 40% turnout (for example)
However, I do think voting should be compulsory, with non compliance punishable by fine but with one caveat. There should be a ‘none of the above’ option on every ballot paper. Then and only then would we get a true picture, and cut out the nonsense of claiming victory with 51% of The vote on a 40% turnout (for example)
Douglas Quaid said:
Yes. Politicians screwed everyone’s life up by imposing lots of largely pointless laws and rules. Everybody was affected so everybody has become more aware.
Unfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
Sums it upUnfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
captain_cynic said:
Yes people are more politically active now...
But sorry conspiracy theorists it's nothing to do with your COVID conspiracy theories. The majority of people were fine with it, understood it and are now over it and getting on with their lives. I suggest you do the same.
More to do with the fact that the US and UK have had years of their top elected representatives breaking laws, not just with impunity but openly and proudly whilst whipping up populist support to cover for it.
This has alarmed a great many people who would ordinarily be apathetic to the boring subject of their governance.
Trump and Boris have caused this, which is not necessarily a bad thing as both have been depending on voter apathy to stay in power for too long.
^ But sorry conspiracy theorists it's nothing to do with your COVID conspiracy theories. The majority of people were fine with it, understood it and are now over it and getting on with their lives. I suggest you do the same.
More to do with the fact that the US and UK have had years of their top elected representatives breaking laws, not just with impunity but openly and proudly whilst whipping up populist support to cover for it.
This has alarmed a great many people who would ordinarily be apathetic to the boring subject of their governance.
Trump and Boris have caused this, which is not necessarily a bad thing as both have been depending on voter apathy to stay in power for too long.
k the electorate I've got to get elected. JagLover said:
Douglas Quaid said:
Yes. Politicians screwed everyone’s life up by imposing lots of largely pointless laws and rules. Everybody was affected so everybody has become more aware.
Unfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
Sums it upUnfortunately the current group were totally useless but the other group would’ve been no better.
Now everyone is broke apart from the lucky few who made enormous amounts of profit from it.
Well done to them.
More people now realise that they now work for the government and their cronies, not the other way round. Your true worth is a tick in a box once every few years.
I'd also put forward that the media have become much more hysterical about politics over the past 5 years or so, which is having an effect on people and polarising them on issues through their tendency to go to the extreme end of a fart to make a point or to give a story an angle.
When there is such polarisation you get mass disagreement which generates anger, ridicule and resentment, and all that generates engagement in the issue and attempts to maintain their audience.
They are doing this because they now face incredible amount of competition from social media and many internet sources which puts forward 'news', and the typical media outlets are really struggling to keep their relevance and their prominence.
They are in fact fighting a losing battle and as they continue to lose they become more hysterical in order to try to be noticed in the sea of other 'news' sources.
The average person will find it hard to ignore the hysterics when it is coming from all angles, and its no wonder as a result that people are wanting to find out WTF is going on with various things including politics.
When there is such polarisation you get mass disagreement which generates anger, ridicule and resentment, and all that generates engagement in the issue and attempts to maintain their audience.
They are doing this because they now face incredible amount of competition from social media and many internet sources which puts forward 'news', and the typical media outlets are really struggling to keep their relevance and their prominence.
They are in fact fighting a losing battle and as they continue to lose they become more hysterical in order to try to be noticed in the sea of other 'news' sources.
The average person will find it hard to ignore the hysterics when it is coming from all angles, and its no wonder as a result that people are wanting to find out WTF is going on with various things including politics.
andyeds1234 said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I guess so, in the sense that I now don't believe a word I hear on TV, The Science or Politicians. I view everything cynically thinking 'what's in it for them...is there money to be made'. The answer is pretty much always 'yes'.
Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
Anyone using the phrase “The Science” immediately identifies themselves as “The Numpty”Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
It’s tiresome.
Instead we have factoids garnered from “The YouTube” or “The Twitter” Instead of genuine expertise.
Yeah… good choice.
Sadly, I find myself going to The YouTube and The Twitter for the alternative viewpoints these days. I suppose it's no different to picking up a bunch of newspapers, and reading the viewpoints from different perspectives. There is nothing new here, just that turning on the TV only gives one viewpoint it would seem.
As long as those differing opinions don't try to make their point using childish primary school insults, then we're all good.
Timothy Bucktu said:
andyeds1234 said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I guess so, in the sense that I now don't believe a word I hear on TV, The Science or Politicians. I view everything cynically thinking 'what's in it for them...is there money to be made'. The answer is pretty much always 'yes'.
Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
Anyone using the phrase “The Science” immediately identifies themselves as “The Numpty”Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
It’s tiresome.
Instead we have factoids garnered from “The YouTube” or “The Twitter” Instead of genuine expertise.
Yeah… good choice.
Sadly, I find myself going to The YouTube and The Twitter for the alternative viewpoints these days. I suppose it's no different to picking up a bunch of newspapers, and reading the viewpoints from different perspectives. There is nothing new here, just that turning on the TV only gives one viewpoint it would seem.
As long as those differing opinions don't try to make their point using childish primary school insults, then we're all good.
Then most of us woke up and are questioning where we are now, and why.
richardxjr said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
andyeds1234 said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
I guess so, in the sense that I now don't believe a word I hear on TV, The Science or Politicians. I view everything cynically thinking 'what's in it for them...is there money to be made'. The answer is pretty much always 'yes'.
Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
Anyone using the phrase “The Science” immediately identifies themselves as “The Numpty”Until we see a real change, my future voting habits will be to simply spoil the paper. I made the effort to vote, but I spoiled the paper...that will be counted, and to my mind sends a clear message.
It’s tiresome.
Instead we have factoids garnered from “The YouTube” or “The Twitter” Instead of genuine expertise.
Yeah… good choice.
Sadly, I find myself going to The YouTube and The Twitter for the alternative viewpoints these days. I suppose it's no different to picking up a bunch of newspapers, and reading the viewpoints from different perspectives. There is nothing new here, just that turning on the TV only gives one viewpoint it would seem.
As long as those differing opinions don't try to make their point using childish primary school insults, then we're all good.
Then most of us woke up and are questioning where we are now, and why.
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