“No LGB without the T”

[BabySharkDD]

I noticed this is trending on Twitter, had a look into it and what are Wickes playing at

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11091091/...

[austinsmirk]

Jumping on the usual corporate bandwagon of making the right sounding gestures.

I presume the T bit is a pun on tea and builders. In decades in the building trade I’ve yet to see a bloke in a dress chucking bags of cement onto a trolley. Maybe they wear the dresses when the days over. Who knows or cares.

[gregs656]

That will have gone down well on the day.

It’s good to see a corporation actually make a statement at pride.

[Timothy Bucktu]

'Ban conversation therapy for ALL'

Is that for people who want to convert their attic into a room or something?

[Electro1980]

austinsmirk said:

Jumping on the usual corporate bandwagon of making the right sounding gestures.

I presume the T bit is a pun on tea and builders. In decades in the building trade I’ve yet to see a bloke in a dress chucking bags of cement onto a trolley. Maybe they wear the dresses when the days over. Who knows or cares.

None of the women I have seen on building sites where dresses.

[230TE]

I looked at the photo and thought "that's got to be the Brighton branch of Wickes". And sure enough...

I wonder if they'll have the balls to run the same poster campaign somewhere like Doncaster or Redcar.

[gregs656]

230TE said:

I looked at the photo and thought "that's got to be the Brighton branch of Wickes". And sure enough...

I wonder if they'll have the balls to run the same poster campaign somewhere like Doncaster or Redcar.

It was on their pride float, so not a poster campaign as such.

[2xChevrons]

austinsmirk said:

Jumping on the usual corporate bandwagon of making the right sounding gestures.

I presume the T bit is a pun on tea and builders. In decades in the building trade I’ve yet to see a bloke in a dress chucking bags of cement onto a trolley. Maybe they wear the dresses when the days over. Who knows or cares.

You're thinking too hard trying to come up with a pun - it's Wickes (more accurately, presumably their LGBT employees) making a statement against the various movements and pressure groups that are trying to draw a firm dividing line between groups defined by sexuality (LGB) and gender identity (T) which for decades have generally worked usefully together to advance and improve things for all of them. Now there are attempts to drive a wedge between them.

"No LGB without the T" isn't something Wickes has come up with. It's an existing slogan and doesn't really need anything else reading into it. Same as the other one about conversion therapy. It's not a joke about turning your loft into an office.

As greg565 said, it's rather pleasing to see a corporate float actually making definite statements on a current issue, and ones that risk pissing off a certain number of people. Better than the usual thing of just turning up with some rainbow-themed logos and offering 'support'.

[anonymous-user]

2xChevrons said:

You're thinking too hard trying to come up with a pun - it's Wickes (more accurately, presumably their LGBT employees) making a statement against the various movements and pressure groups that are trying to draw a firm dividing line between groups defined by sexuality (LGB) and gender identity (T) which for decades have generally worked usefully together to advance and improve things for all of them. Now there are attempts to drive a wedge between them.

"No LGB without the T" isn't something Wickes has come up with. It's an existing slogan and doesn't really need anything else reading into it. Same as the other one about conversion therapy. It's not a joke about turning your loft into an office.

As greg565 said, it's rather pleasing to see a corporate float actually making definite statements on a current issue, and ones that risk pissing off a certain number of people. Better than the usual thing of just turning up with some rainbow-themed logos and offering 'support'.

Excellent post, thank you

[230TE]

gregs656 said:

It was on their pride float, so not a poster campaign as such.

Good point, I'd assumed this was outside one of Wickes' branches. I've not been to a Pride festival: presumably corporate floats are a big thing, not just Wickes being random? Got to admire the way big business can appropriate and monetise absolutely anything. Someone in a marketing office somewhere is looking at the XR motorway blockades and thinking "would they be up for a sponsorship deal?"

[dudleybloke]

I thought they all drank fancy coffees.

[BabySharkDD]

2xChevrons said:

You're thinking too hard trying to come up with a pun - it's Wickes (more accurately, presumably their LGBT employees) making a statement against the various movements and pressure groups that are trying to draw a firm dividing line between groups defined by sexuality (LGB) and gender identity (T) which for decades have generally worked usefully together to advance and improve things for all of them. Now there are attempts to drive a wedge between them.

"No LGB without the T" isn't something Wickes has come up with. It's an existing slogan and doesn't really need anything else reading into it. Same as the other one about conversion therapy. It's not a joke about turning your loft into an office.

As greg565 said, it's rather pleasing to see a corporate float actually making definite statements on a current issue, and ones that risk pissing off a certain number of people. Better than the usual thing of just turning up with some rainbow-themed logos and offering 'support'.

Thanks for the explanation. The slogan does make sense regarding the wedges growing between LGB and T. I know a few who have been unhappy for a while with the more extreme end of the transgender movement, I hadn’t realised it had become a dividing issue.

[Google [bot]]

It rhymes, that's nice.

Let's spell it out. No Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual without the Transexual.

How to win LGB friends and influence people.

[gregs656]

Google [bot] said:

It rhymes, that's nice.

Let's spell it out. No Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual without the Transexual.

How to win LGB friends and influence people.

That’s the spin the LGB alliance put it, but I don’t think that is how most people in the broader queer community understand it - more ‘we wouldn’t be here without them’.

[Rufus Stone]

2xChevrons said:

You're thinking too hard trying to come up with a pun - it's Wickes (more accurately, presumably their LGBT employees) making a statement against the various movements and pressure groups that are trying to draw a firm dividing line between groups defined by sexuality (LGB) and gender identity (T) which for decades have generally worked usefully together to advance and improve things for all of them. Now there are attempts to drive a wedge between them.

"No LGB without the T" isn't something Wickes has come up with. It's an existing slogan and doesn't really need anything else reading into it. Same as the other one about conversion therapy. It's not a joke about turning your loft into an office.

As greg565 said, it's rather pleasing to see a corporate float actually making definite statements on a current issue, and ones that risk pissing off a certain number of people. Better than the usual thing of just turning up with some rainbow-themed logos and offering 'support'.

Who is driving this wedge?

Wasn't there a 'T' only parade in Brighton the other week?

[rodericb]

gregs656 said:

Google [bot] said:

It rhymes, that's nice.

Let's spell it out. No Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual without the Transexual.

How to win LGB friends and influence people.

That’s the spin the LGB alliance put it, but I don’t think that is how most people in the broader queer community understand it - more ‘we wouldn’t be here without them’.

The bit I have put in bold above is probably where it's all at. In the broader context then yeah all of the letters as it's the collective and they've taken on societal issues which impact that particular group. But as those broader issues get worked, splinter off into more specific issues and so on you'll start uncovering the differences in the groups and how sometimes they don't align at all on certain things. One earlier post said something along the lines of sex versus gender, which is an issue for some in the "LGB" community obviously, they've reacted as such and it's getting this reaction from the subgroup "T" in the larger LGBT. Expect pushback if you try trojan-horsing in "progress" which is counter to a subsection of the larger groups ideals!

[ReallyReallyGood]

Can think of some great puns for B&Q

[bitchstewie]

Oh goodie another Trans bashing thread.

[ZedLeg]

bhstewie said:

Oh goodie another Trans bashing thread.

That

Does anyone care about Wickes doing a Pride float?

[8.4L 154]

ZedLeg said:

bhstewie said:

Oh goodie another Trans bashing thread.

That

Does anyone care about Wickes doing a Pride float?

Just a bunch of straight people who want to divide the LGB from the T for political reasons and here we have the pushback from that on a Wickes float well received by 10's of thousands of LGB people at pride.

Nb it's only the straight media and the mainly straight supported group LGBa that are finding it controversial after the event, there was no controversy at pride itself.