Police Taser man in care home
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Just spotted the Telegraph reporting that Police were called to a care home with a report of a man threatening people with a knife.
Turns out he was a one legged wheelchair bound 93 year old resident with dementia.
Two officers tried to subdue him and so tasered him. He died 3 weeks later in hospital.
Well done the Police. Dear me.
Turns out he was a one legged wheelchair bound 93 year old resident with dementia.
Two officers tried to subdue him and so tasered him. He died 3 weeks later in hospital.
Well done the Police. Dear me.
You missed the bit about pepper spray & a baton- insufficient against a cripple in a wheelchair, apparently.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-taser...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-taser...
Biggy Stardust said:
You missed the bit about pepper spray & a baton- insufficient against a cripple in a wheelchair, apparently.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-taser...
Unbelievable TBH. All they had to was shove a broom handle in the spokes of his wheelchair and leave him to calm down.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-taser...
Wonder what they do with dangerous people?
andygo said:
Just spotted the Telegraph reporting that Police were called to a care home with a report of a man threatening people with a knife.
Turns out he was a one legged wheelchair bound 93 year old resident with dementia.
Two officers tried to subdue him and so tasered him. He died 3 weeks later in hospital.
Well done the Police. Dear me.
So let’s just say for arguments sake he was very very strong willed and due to the police not acting quickly enough and with sufficient force he stabbed and killed a carer? Then who’s to blame?Turns out he was a one legged wheelchair bound 93 year old resident with dementia.
Two officers tried to subdue him and so tasered him. He died 3 weeks later in hospital.
Well done the Police. Dear me.
It’s sad that it happened but it wasn’t the worst outcome.
Biggy Stardust said:
You missed the bit about pepper spray & a baton- insufficient against a cripple in a wheelchair, apparently.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-taser...
Good grief. Surely this is murder, not manslaughter? 93 years old, one legged, wheelchair bound, with dementia and two Constables couldn't disarm him without this level of violence? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-taser...
I wonder if anything will come of it from a public protest standpoint. Almost certainly not, by the looks of it. I wonder why.
thebraketester said:
So let’s just say for arguments sake he was very very strong willed and due to the police not acting quickly enough and with sufficient force he stabbed and killed a carer? Then who’s to blame?
It’s sad that it happened but it wasn’t the worst outcome.
No, but it was several lightyears from even being reasonable.It’s sad that it happened but it wasn’t the worst outcome.
And just how was he going to actually stab anyone? He was unlikely to outrun them was he?
I'll defend it. Why TF should the two constables go hand-to-hand with a knife weilding nutjob when there are options avaialble that have a much higher chance of keeping all their blood inside their body where it belongs. The negative consequences for the guy are sad but when you go on a knife rampage you have to accept that moraly you are the bad guy and it's better if the consequences fall on you and nobody else.
thebraketester said:
So let’s just say for arguments sake he was very very strong willed and due to the police not acting quickly enough and with sufficient force he stabbed and killed a carer? Then who’s to blame?
It’s sad that it happened but it wasn’t the worst outcome.
Have you seen the scene where Austin Powers ran over a henchman with a steamroller?It’s sad that it happened but it wasn’t the worst outcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4UFQWKjy_I
buggalugs said:
I'll defend it. Why TF should the two constables go hand-to-hand with a knife weilding nutjob when there are options avaialble that have a much higher chance of keeping all their blood inside their body where it belongs. The negative consequences for the guy are sad but when you go on a knife rampage you have to accept that moraly you are the bad guy and it's better if the consequences fall on you and nobody else.
Rampage? He was 91, had dementia, had one leg and was in a wheelchair, Yes, I'm sure there were no other options than to pepper spray him, hit him with a baton and then taser him. Good grief man
andymadmak said:
buggalugs said:
I'll defend it. Why TF should the two constables go hand-to-hand with a knife weilding nutjob when there are options avaialble that have a much higher chance of keeping all their blood inside their body where it belongs. The negative consequences for the guy are sad but when you go on a knife rampage you have to accept that moraly you are the bad guy and it's better if the consequences fall on you and nobody else.
Rampage? He was 91, had dementia, had one leg and was in a wheelchair, Yes, I'm sure there were no other options than to pepper spray him, hit him with a baton and then taser him. Good grief man
buggalugs said:
I'll defend it. Why TF should the two constables go hand-to-hand with a knife weilding nutjob
Calling a dementia sufferer a nutjob. Classy.Why did they need to go hand to hand with a wheelchair bound person carrying a knife? If there was a fear of self harm then surely they understood that a taser was also incredibly inappropriate use of force.
buggalugs said:
when there are options avaialble that have a much higher chance of keeping all their blood inside their body where it belongs.
Yeah like leave the wheelchair bound person to themselves...buggalugs said:
The negative consequences for the guy are sad but when you go on a knife rampage you have to accept that moraly you are the bad guy and it's better if the consequences fall on you and nobody else.
Hard to say that anyone with dementia is "morally the bad guy" in this situation.buggalugs said:
andymadmak said:
buggalugs said:
I'll defend it. Why TF should the two constables go hand-to-hand with a knife weilding nutjob when there are options avaialble that have a much higher chance of keeping all their blood inside their body where it belongs. The negative consequences for the guy are sad but when you go on a knife rampage you have to accept that moraly you are the bad guy and it's better if the consequences fall on you and nobody else.
Rampage? He was 91, had dementia, had one leg and was in a wheelchair, Yes, I'm sure there were no other options than to pepper spray him, hit him with a baton and then taser him. Good grief man
Evanivitch said:
buggalugs said:
I'll defend it. Why TF should the two constables go hand-to-hand with a knife weilding nutjob
Calling a dementia sufferer a nutjob. Classy.Why did they need to go hand to hand with a wheelchair bound person carrying a knife? If there was a fear of self harm then surely they understood that a taser was also incredibly inappropriate use of force.
buggalugs said:
when there are options avaialble that have a much higher chance of keeping all their blood inside their body where it belongs.
Yeah like leave the wheelchair bound person to themselves...buggalugs said:
The negative consequences for the guy are sad but when you go on a knife rampage you have to accept that moraly you are the bad guy and it's better if the consequences fall on you and nobody else.
Hard to say that anyone with dementia is "morally the bad guy" in this situation.buggalugs said:
I'll defend it. Why TF should the two constables go hand-to-hand with a knife weilding nutjob when there are options avaialble that have a much higher chance of keeping all their blood inside their body where it belongs. The negative consequences for the guy are sad but when you go on a knife rampage you have to accept that moraly you are the bad guy and it's better if the consequences fall on you and nobody else.
Could they not just have stayed away from him, set up a sterile safe area and let it play out? Christ he was in his ninties, one leg and in a wheelchair. Where is the clear and present danger? If he had a staff member or similar in his control or sone kind of 'hostage' then sure, it's got to move up to some kind of force, but pepper spray, a baton strike and a taser on a relatively immobilised member of the public with little grasp of their faculties? I'm sure there could and should have been a better resolution. I am going on the info made present obviously. Bigends said:
If hw was in a room isolated from the rest of the home - why the rush to engage him?. I doubt he was going anywhere in a wheelchair with two officers to stop him.. I'd suggest this is a case of poor training and lack of experience - cant think why else they would have take this course of action
I don't think we know if he was isolated from the rest of the home. The employees didn't feel they could handle it, the police tried to handle it without taser and then with taser. It seems to me like it was the final option and a reasonable one; unless you're imaging scenarious where it isn't, but we don't have any facts about that. I'm sure the investigation will cover that.buggalugs said:
Obviously you would have just done your James Bond moves on him and resolved it all over tea and biscuits.
Ahh. So, our one legged 91 year old wheel chair equipped nut job (your word to describe a person suffering from dementia - incredibly) went on a rampage (your word) did he?
How many people did this rampaging nut job stab before the police got there? How many did he cut? Did anyone even get a cut? Perhaps the Constables broke a fingernail when they were unleashing their sprays, batons and tasers ? Our nut job doesn't sound very rampagey to me.
Or maybe he was just a confused old man who got a bit shouty whilst holding his dinner knife?
No need for James Bond moves, but certainly offering the old fella some tea and biscuits and talking him down from his anger/anxiety would have been a 100000000% better option than simply gassing him, beating him with batons and then tasering him to death.
These super brave, incredibly well trained, equipped with stab vests and various bits of semi military paraphernalia police officers managed to kill the old boy.
Nope, no matter how many times I read that out loud I still can't make it sound right or reasonable.
Edited by andymadmak on Thursday 4th August 17:44
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