What's a UN Injunction?

[bitchstewie]

I didn't know they could do that.

Archie Battersbee: UN issues injunction to stop UK turning off brain-damaged boy’s life support

[frisbee]

More enemies of the people! Oh wait, they are going against a judge's ruling, judges are already enemies of the people. Now I'm conflicted...

Vote Rishi!

[bitchstewie]

Honestly never heard of it.

Is it a legal thing or a directive or a recommendation or what?

[StevieBee]

It's a measure normally used in developing nations where the protection of the most vulnerable in society is poor or non existent. When such nations are in receipt of donor support, that support is conditional on mandated recognition and adherence to many rules of governance including those focused upon the protection of civil rights and the like. These are established and policed by the UN. Simply put, if they want the money they have to up their game in terms of the protection and support they offer their society.

How this applies in the UK I don't know. I would imagine it's intended as a gesture to support or justify further legal challenge but I can't see that its has any direct legal weight here.

[Murph7355]

StevieBee said:

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How this applies in the UK I don't know. I would imagine it's intended as a gesture to support or justify further legal challenge but I can't see that its has any direct legal weight here.

This seems the case to me.

This case has been fully through our courts AIUI, which I'd also assume includes medical opinion etc. It seems a ridiculous thing for the UN to be getting involved in.

[CharlieCrocodile]

I wonder how many nurses/beds/operations could be funded by the money the NHS are having to spend on lawyers.

[steveT350C]

It’s where unelected globalists strongly encourage you to get injuncted with an experimental gene therapy drug?

[rxe]

If a UN injunction is as effective as their position on Ukraine, it will involve tickling the miscreant with a feather while reciting Harry Potter spells.

[vaud]

CharlieCrocodile said:

I wonder how many nurses/beds/operations could be funded by the money the NHS are having to spend on lawyers.

The injunction is against the state (government) so won't directly impact the NHS?

[Hill92]

Basically it's just a request to the Government to hold off and let the committee have a look. The government could ignore if it really wanted. Most likely they would just present a high level case summary of the legal process that has been followed and that'll be the end of the line.

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The family are being led up the garden path by a religious organisation. They're making a big deal out of something that is just administrative.

[Ridgemont]

Much as I feel for their loss, they do seem a little kraykray:

mother said:

There have been so many ups and downs, but we have put on the full armour of God, gone into the battle and now we have given Archie time – that is all we have ever asked for.”

[Murph7355]

vaud said:

CharlieCrocodile said:

I wonder how many nurses/beds/operations could be funded by the money the NHS are having to spend on lawyers.

The injunction is against the state (government) so won't directly impact the NHS?

?

NHS funding and funding the lawyers comes from the same place (taxes).

[vaud]

I said directly. The response will come from central govt lawyers for which there is probably retained Staff and existing budget.

So no cuts to hospitals etc for the réponse to a UN letter.

[oddman]

Ridgemont said:

Much as I feel for their loss, they do seem a little kraykray:

mother said:

There have been so many ups and downs, but we have put on the full armour of God, gone into the battle and now we have given Archie time – that is all we have ever asked for.”

More than a little. Family believe scans and notes have been switched to give a false impression of brain death.

Relationship with medics has totally broken down.

Given the circumstances of how this and other children end up on life support after critical illnesses and accidents, its remarkable that the vast majority of parents behave with remarkable dignity and understanding and accept the doctors' assessment and their advice that life support is turned off within a few days of the initial injury - often leading to several other lives being saved.

Of course the court costs will have been massive for the NHS but the real cost is the head space taken up in the minds of the clinicians involved. They will still have other critically ill patients to treat and families to support. One can't help thinking that there must be a degradation in the care of these patients caused by this massive unecessary distraction.

Christian legal centre is funded by US evangelists.

Edited by oddman on Sunday 31st July 08:04

[XCP]

According to the document posted it's a 'request' to the state.
Not an injunction.

[Timothy Bucktu]

CharlieCrocodile said:

I wonder how many nurses/beds/operations could be funded by the money the NHS are having to spend on lawyers.

And the money spent keeping a brain dead vegetable 'alive'.
I can't imagine anything worse than what the family are going through...but the lad is dead. They need to let go. Awful all round.

[Ouroboros]

XCP said:

According to the document posted it's a 'request' to the state.
Not an injunction.

The UN cannot overrule our courts in this matter.

[vaud]

Ouroboros said:

XCP said:

According to the document posted it's a 'request' to the state.
Not an injunction.

The UN cannot overrule our courts in this matter.

Correct. It is a request only.

In this case I personally think our courts function well. Good oversight and appeals process. Very well informed judges who are totally independent and not subject to political pressure.

[Jonny_]

Timothy Bucktu said:

CharlieCrocodile said:

I wonder how many nurses/beds/operations could be funded by the money the NHS are having to spend on lawyers.

And the money spent keeping a brain dead vegetable 'alive'.
I can't imagine anything worse than what the family are going through...but the lad is dead. They need to let go. Awful all round.

I hope that none of this kid's family are on PH...!

(I do understand your logic here, and given the consensus of medical professionals and the UK courts I agree with it, but FFS, what a choice of words.)

[Murph7355]

vaud said:

Ouroboros said:

XCP said:

According to the document posted it's a 'request' to the state.
Not an injunction.

The UN cannot overrule our courts in this matter.

Correct. It is a request only.

In this case I personally think our courts function well. Good oversight and appeals process. Very well informed judges who are totally independent and not subject to political pressure.

I agree - which does beg the question of why the UN feel like they have to say anything.

I guess a lawyer somewhere has noted we signed up to these UN articles and has pushed the family into following this path. And the UN would probably note "well we've been asked, so we need to look at it". But it seems like a massive waste of time and perpetuation of false hope.